4 units a day sounds better then 8 to 12 which is what I was told by some guys i know sounded way excessive ....but with what Dylan said I now know the actual facts rather then what I've read i always know to take his advice for sure ! So thanks Dylan! Sounds like it would be a good thing to try but now I can know to expect more realistic results not immediate as people have stated....so for now I think I'll be ok with my typical cycles and maybe take more time to absorb knowledge and education about hgh and huh frag before I try dabbling in it doesn't sound like a bad addition but definately is way more costly so idk if it's worth the $$ for me personally but that was she i thought it was at 8 to 12 units per day 4 is definatelt more affordable and plausible to try it down the road sometime soon maybe thanks my iron brothers I appreciate everyone's inputs