Gains stalling after 5 weeks

[RickRock]

Maybe Epichatechin could be used in or after PCT. To help it drop more for a bit of an easier way to get natty gains?

Do SARMs increase myostatin as well? (Slower I guess, but still an increase?)

Yes, I think that's a perfect time to use it.

Obvioulsy anything that can initiate muscle growth can raise myostatin, but sarms do it to a very small degree in comparison to steroids. Myostatin can even raise while natural to a certain degree. Your body releases myostatin based on what muscle you've gained, not what compounds you've used to an extent (though high androgens make it rise more than anything regardless of gains) ....so even a natty that makes great gains for a couple months will expereince the slowing or even stalling out of gains eventually. At that point the natty guy just has to maintain what he has for a while or be content with slower gains until enough time passes that growth can happen again.

 

[RickRock]

I'm sure some of you have seen these photos before somewhere, but these are examples of a myostatin deficiency. Basically constant uncontrollable muscle growth. Would be nice huh? Supposedly Big Ramy has a "slight"myostatin deficiency and just look at him.

 

[ThepoManta]

I'm sure some of you have seen these photos before somewhere, but these are examples of a myostatin deficiency. Basically constant uncontrollable muscle growth. Would be nice huh? Supposedly Big Ramy has a "slight"myostatin deficiency and just look at him.

Yeah I have seen those. Big Ramy is ''blessed'' so to speak. Will add Epicatechin in PCT then

 

[JackSteel]

bro for fucks sake, 23 lbs?? when i ran anadrol my last cycle, i gained pretty most most of my weight when i was on it and that was roughly 25 lbs... you are not going to add 50 fucking pounds bro... im not sure what you expect but to have that kind of increase is unreal... your gains are NOT stalling at all... not one bit... you cant expect to gain weight the entire time... part of this is it evening itself out from water to muscle, more strength, and just maintaining throughout... you are almost getting greedy at this point

This is what I was going to say. You likely added a lot of fluid in the first few weeks and maybe some muscle too, but now that water will be leaving you as the deca kicks in. So you’re going to lose some of that water weight no matter what. In conclusion, it’s really pointless to start analyzing your weight on the scale right now. It’s just going to give you unreliable information.

Having said that, you did start with dbol and that will start anabolism sooner and therefore end I️t sooner. You can’t just grow forever. Using compounds to try to break through myostatin is really kind of a “Hail Mary” so to speak anyway. Just because you have a new hormone peaking doesn’t mean you will necessarily overcome myostatin. Keep working hard and dial in your diet even better and if you get some extra gains great. If not then you still trained and will likely lean out from I️t.

 

[RickRock]

This is what I was going to say. You likely added a lot of fluid in the first few weeks and maybe some muscle too, but now that water will be leaving you as the deca kicks in. So you’re going to lose some of that water weight no matter what. In conclusion, it’s really pointless to start analyzing your weight on the scale right now. It’s just going to give you unreliable information.

Having said that, you did start with dbol and that will start anabolism sooner and therefore end I️t sooner. You can’t just grow forever. Using compounds to try to break through myostatin is really kind of a “Hail Mary” so to speak anyway. Just because you have a new hormone peaking doesn’t mean you will necessarily overcome myostatin. Keep working hard and dial in your diet even better and if you get some extra gains great. If not then you still trained and will likely lean out from I️t.

Truth. Myostatin always wins in the end, even if you can overcome it for a short time.

 

[Carmel cowboy]

I'm sure some of you have seen these photos before somewhere, but these are examples of a myostatin deficiency. Basically constant uncontrollable muscle growth. Would be nice huh? Supposedly Big Ramy has a "slight"myostatin deficiency and just look at him.

I have seen these pictures before used for ads in flex magazine for myostatin inhibitors. I tried mhp myostatin inhibitor and it messed with my stomach and stopped it. I don't think these supplements actually work but wanted to try it for myself. I would love to hear everyone's opinion about what these guys at oxygen gym are doing!! Big Ramy might have a slight myostatin deficiency but what about the difference roelly winklar and Brandon curry have made after going to oxygen gym? The gym itself is amazing but we all know there is more to then the equipment being used!! Here is another question I am currently researching, what if a patient is prone to produce more myostatin then normal how is he treated? I would imagine just as having a myostatin deficiency is a health risk so is producing too much!

 

[RickRock]

I have seen these pictures before used for ads in flex magazine for myostatin inhibitors. I tried mhp myostatin inhibitor and it messed with my stomach and stopped it. I don't think these supplements actually work but wanted to try it for myself. I would love to hear everyone's opinion about what these guys at oxygen gym are doing!! Big Ramy might have a slight myostatin deficiency but what about the difference roelly winklar and Brandon curry have made after going to oxygen gym? The gym itself is amazing but we all know there is more to then the equipment being used!! Here is another question I am currently researching, what if a patient is prone to produce more myostatin then normal how is he treated? I would imagine just as having a myostatin deficiency is a health risk so is producing too much!

There's no question Roelly and curry have both made phenomenal progress. How much it has to do with oxygen gym, I really don't know but it could be a factor. You just don't hear a lot about it and there's not enough info to really go on.

You never really hear about someone producing too much myostatin but I'm sure it does happen. Those people would just simply not be able to put muscle on, or not to a very large degree. As long as the body can hold enough muscle to function and do its tasks (which isn't much) then it's really not a big deal....unless you are a bodybuilder....then you're just fucked. There is much more to worry about with myostatin deficiency because once you reach a certain size it gets pretty hard on your health, heart, etc. your heart has to pump blood to those muscles and your heart doesn't care if you are 300 lbs of fat or 300 lbs of muscle. It will still be a heavy load on your cardiovascular system and is just not healthy

 

[RUCingdsgainz]

There's no question Roelly and curry have both made phenomenal progress. How much it has to do with oxygen gym, I really don't know but it could be a factor. You just don't hear a lot about it and there's not enough info to really go on.

You never really hear about someone producing too much myostatin but I'm sure it does happen. Those people would just simply not be able to put muscle on, or not to a very large degree. As long as the body can hold enough muscle to function and do its tasks (which isn't much) then it's really not a big deal....unless you are a bodybuilder....then you're just fucked. There is much more to worry about with myostatin deficiency because once you reach a certain size it gets pretty hard on your health, heart, etc. your heart has to pump blood to those muscles and your heart doesn't care if you are 300 lbs of fat or 300 lbs of muscle. It will still be a heavy load on your cardiovascular system and is just not healthy

Isn't the same yk-11 supost to lower myostatin?

 

[RickRock]

Isn't the same yk-11 supost to lower myostatin?

There's dozens of supplements and things out there that are supposed to lower myostatin or claim to. The thing is while some of these things might help to a small degree if you were natural, competing with super physiological doses on cycle with myostatin through the roof just isn't going to happen. Just like broccoli and certain other veggies can help with estrogen. Nobody would ever take broccoli on cycle when you are aromatizing like crazy for an AI right? It's like trying to put out a building on fire with a spray bottle. It's a waste of time and money. Trust me, if there was anything in the world that kept your myostatin at bay on cycle, everyone would be using it

 

[Carmel cowboy]

There's no question Roelly and curry have both made phenomenal progress. How much it has to do with oxygen gym, I really don't know but it could be a factor. You just don't hear a lot about it and there's not enough info to really go on.

You never really hear about someone producing too much myostatin but I'm sure it does happen. Those people would just simply not be able to put muscle on, or not to a very large degree. As long as the body can hold enough muscle to function and do its tasks (which isn't much) then it's really not a big deal....unless you are a bodybuilder....then you're just fucked. There is much more to worry about with myostatin deficiency because once you reach a certain size it gets pretty hard on your health, heart, etc. your heart has to pump blood to those muscles and your heart doesn't care if you are 300 lbs of fat or 300 lbs of muscle. It will still be a heavy load on your cardiovascular system and is just not healthy

I agree on the health risk with myostatin inhibition and the abuse by some. I have found a couple of articles and studies where myostatin inhibitors are being used for people with muscular dystrophy, morbid obesity and muscle wasting diseases like cancer. MI myostatin inhibitors are also being considers for people that have had surgery to help them preserve muscle mass while recovering. I read something very interesting about obesity and myostatin production! Very interesting that your body fat also impacts myostatin production!!

 

[RickRock]

I agree on the health risk with myostatin inhibition and the abuse by some. I have found a couple of articles and studies where myostatin inhibitors are being used for people with muscular dystrophy, morbid obesity and muscle wasting diseases like cancer. MI myostatin inhibitors are also being considers for people that have had surgery to help them preserve muscle mass while recovering. I read something very interesting about obesity and myostatin production! Very interesting that your body fat also impacts myostatin production!!

That's exactly right, and the reason for that is because your body has already taken on a lot of unwanted mass in the form of adipose tissue, which is more tissue your body has to feed requiring more nutrients. Your body will raise myostatin somewhat when you are carrying extra fat because it defnitely doesn't want even more tissue at that point. This feeds in to the whole reason we tell people you will get more and better gains from a cycle when you go into it leaner. You will start with lower myostatin and you will aromatize less and have more active compound

 

[Carmel cowboy]

That's exactly right, and the reason for that is because your body has already taken on a lot of unwanted mass in the form of adipose tissue, which is more tissue your body has to feed requiring more nutrients. Your body will raise myostatin somewhat when you are carrying extra fat because it defnitely doesn't want even more tissue at that point. This feeds in to the whole reason we tell people you will get more and better gains from a cycle when you go into it leaner. You will start with lower myostatin and you will aromatize less and have more active compound

Yes I completely agree! Very interesting topic!