Hello everyone ! I am new to this forum. I am 22 years old with over 5 years consistent experience in the gym. My weight is around 80kg and I am 185-186 cm tall. I just came to a situation where even if my diet is okay and my training routine is cheked I don't do any massive gains. I also have some problems with cutting and losing the lower belly fat. I just lost my motivation to go to the gym any more. I really want to take the further step and try a steriod cycle. Now, I also want to be a mild one. For this reason, my mind is set on turinabol. Can you tell me if these is good enough on it's own, should I combine it with sth else or should I take sth else instead. Also, I would appreciate if you advise what supplements I can take along with the steriod. I know that my diet should be also cholesterol-free as much as possible, but I will have enough protein and keep the carbs low. I would try to gain some muscle mass, while burning my belly fat. I know it's "against the rules" you either bulk or cut, but more about that I want to hear from you guys!
First time cycle - age 22
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drb_iac
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My young buddy..lifting should be fun and a happy thing for you. Dieting, seeing what you can achieve is fun. It is a lifelong pursuit. There will ALWAYS be plateaus, and setbacks. That is when you dig deep and keep pushing. Lifting is vital to you and the gains are slow. I am going to tell you this now....that is how it is going to be for the rest of your life...gear or no gear. Run the marathon dude...there will be time to sprint. Right now at 22 you have your own tes pumping..and that test is best. The gear will help you speed things along once you know that your diet and workout is in order. If you insist on shutting your own test down then start off mildly. This is when you use the 25mg/day winstrol, with 100mg cyp for 8-10 weeks. You take lighter gear and shorter cycles. That way your test will not be smashed into oblivion.STAY AWAY from tren,dbol, anadrol etc for the next few years. Make this whole thing a joy in your life..no hurry. And take this tip...you hit plateaus, and loss of motivation even on gear.As for the Tbol it is ok, but I would think this out some more. Right now..enjoy!
ibleedoranbla
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Re: RE: First time cycle - age 22
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Imho you are not ready for gear. You have a lot to learn and jumping straight into gear is not a wise decision. First you are too young. Unless you plan on becoming a pro there is 0 reason to hop on juice at the age of 22. Second, you say you've been training and dieting consistently for 5 years but if my calculations are correct, you're saying that you're 6' and weigh 176 pounds and still have lower belly fat. This to me screams that you have A LOT to learn in regards to your nutrition and training. If you don't know how to put size on naturally through diet and training then you won't gain anything from aas usage. I would highly advise against you going down that path right now. Alternatively I would suggest that you spend some time learning about sarms and think about using them in the very near future. Also, you need to do some more learning on diet and training. Feel free to post your current diet and training for critique. Let us get you on the right path instead of letting you venture down the wrong one.maniakbg said:
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Some nice and wise words there ! I appreciate your comment very much. However, I am considering to try this out from a very long time tbh and till now, I decided multiple times to not do it. I am in my summer break and really want to train hard, eat properly and take some extras in order to put my body in a good shape, so when the semester kicks in, I would have more time and dedication towards my degree ( I am an Engineering student 
) . I can post some pics tho, so you can decide if it's time or not to at least try out tbol and get that thing out of my mind
) . I can post some pics tho, so you can decide if it's time or not to at least try out tbol and get that thing out of my mind 
Sounds to me u just need to change your workout routine around. High reps with lower weight. Do more cardio. Take protein powder n creatine some B 12 and zinc to help testosterone levels. Stay off the benches and do more dumb bell exercises. Learn muscle concentration.and contract and squeeze not just rep the weight.try that first. BEFORE u try roids!
ibleedoranbla
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Re: RE: Re: First time cycle - age 22
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Yes, pictures, your current diet, and training would all be helpful for everyone that comes to your post looking to help. I can tell you tbol is not something that should be ran by itself. It can be and you can make gains with it but it's always best to run testosterone with any oral. The problem with aas use at your age is that your testosterone levels are at their peak and they will stay like that for the next several years. You should be able to make phenomenal gains from your natty test at your age. Once you use aas there are no guarantees that your levels will ever return to where they are at. That is a hard pill to swallow at the age of 22.maniakbg said:Some nice and wise words there ! I appreciate your comment very much. However, I am considering to try this out from a very long time tbh and till now, I decided multiple times to not do it. I am in my summer break and really want to train hard, eat properly and take some extras in order to put my body in a good shape, so when the semester kicks in, I would have more time and dedication towards my degree ( I am an Engineering student
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Well first of all, as I have already mentioned, I am a student and training is not my primary ambitious. However, I look to keep my routine in tact. This means that I would change it on regular basis and mainly consists of compound movements combined with some isolation exercises. Depending on the time I got, I train minimum of 3 times per week and avarage of 5. I am an abroad student, so when I am back home it's quite hard for me to keep any kind of diet but I am really careful at what I am eating. I mainly do strict diets, when I am abroad and cook on my own. Of course, if I decide to go on gear, I would make my diet perfect ( I really know enough about nutrition, so this won't be a problem for me ) It would be only about a month or month and a half, this would be the time I have back here in my home country. I just want to fulfil it by taking the right supps along with the proper steroid, train hard, eat clean and that's pretty much it.
Of course, if I decide to go on gear, I would make my diet perfect ( I really know enough about nutrition, so this won't be a problem for me ) It would be only about a month or month and a half, this would be the time I have back here in my home country. I just want to fulfil it by taking the right supps along with the proper steroid, train hard, eat clean and that's pretty much it.
BigBusiness
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So if training isnt primary ambition then why try t-bol? Without a test base its just going to shut your natural test down!!!! Your body is full of natural roids right now!!! Use it and imbrace it. As you state in your goals, it is in your best intrest NOT to use. You can achive what you want with a great, clean diet. Without fucking your body up. Plain and simple bro your very young and have alot to learn. Stick around ask question and read, read, read.
your natty tes and GH levels are peaking right now man. You should be able to pack on good amount of muscle with just a solid diet.
If you cant, you really need to address your diet 1st. Once that is sorted out you can look into anabolics, but if you are not growing now....your not going to grow on some tes.
you need proper cals 1st.
If you cant, you really need to address your diet 1st. Once that is sorted out you can look into anabolics, but if you are not growing now....your not going to grow on some tes.
you need proper cals 1st.
Brother, you really need to wait longer before using steroids. At your age, a good diet and hard training will do wonders for you. Steroids are not the answer. You really need a better base and need to be older before starting in my opinion.
Alternatively, I would suggest looking into SARMS. They don't carry the side effects or suppression of AAS, and better suited for someone in your position. They work great for building muscle and strength while dropping bodyfat and they are a perfect way to enter the world of anabolics. If you'd like I can help set you up a nice sarms cycle that will give excellent results
Alternatively, I would suggest looking into SARMS. They don't carry the side effects or suppression of AAS, and better suited for someone in your position. They work great for building muscle and strength while dropping bodyfat and they are a perfect way to enter the world of anabolics. If you'd like I can help set you up a nice sarms cycle that will give excellent results
drb_iac
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RickRock said:
You have received some good advice young bro.It sounds like a unanimous decision...no juice for you!!! Why not try 12 or more weeks of sarms? You basically need to loose some fat and add some muscle. You really could do it with the right diet, training and sarms. You got nothing to loose, but belly button fat plus no sides to worry about.
First, thank you guys for the reply! Well, I am from an European country and far away from the USA. The SARMs here are not that popular and dont know much about their distribution tbh. However, I would appreciate some guidence on what type and whag cycle I can do with them. Any info would be greatly appreciateddrb_iac said:
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maniakbg said:First, thank you guys for the reply! Well, I am from an European country and far away from the USA. The SARMs here are not that popular and dont know much about their distribution tbh. However, I would appreciate some guidence on what type and whag cycle I can do with them. Any info would be greatly appreciateddrb_iac said:
hey brother.. EVERYTHING can be shipped to you with no problem and will pass customs... here's what you need to do... go to www.pureessencesarms.com and read all my articles... then go to my youtube channel and watch my sarms videos... here is the link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEdmdT ... ujxQgFa-kw
i always like to start everyone on the triple stack... its perfect for a starter and will get you going big time... here is the cycle layout for you... also let me know and i'll make sure your taken care of with pure essence on your sarms
1-12 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
9-12 daa
Mini pct 13-16
Clomid 25/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
DylanGemelli said:maniakbg said:First, thank you guys for the reply! Well, I am from an European country and far away from the USA. The SARMs here are not that popular and dont know much about their distribution tbh. However, I would appreciate some guidence on what type and whag cycle I can do with them. Any info would be greatly appreciateddrb_iac said:
hey brother.. EVERYTHING can be shipped to you with no problem and will pass customs... here's what you need to do... go to http://www.pureessencesarms.com and read all my articles... then go to my youtube channel and watch my sarms videos... here is the link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEdmdT ... ujxQgFa-kw
i always like to start everyone on the triple stack... its perfect for a starter and will get you going big time... here is the cycle layout for you... also let me know and i'll make sure your taken care of with pure essence on your sarms
1-12 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
9-12 daa
Mini pct 13-16
Clomid 25/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
If you want the perfect sarms layout, the triple stack is the way to go, and Dylan has you setup here with everything. This is exactly what I would recommend as well
