First injection cycle

[Doubi]

Hey guys -

New to the forums and looking to get as much information as possible for what is available to me. I've done 2 oral cycles of dianabol in the past but nothing else. I'm 29 years old and have been lifting consistently now for a little over 4 years. I lifted when I was younger from the ages of 13-21 but slowly fell away from it in my early 20's. Right now I'm 5'10, 210lbs and 20% body fat. What I have available to me is Boldenone 250 (acetate 50/ undecyclinate 200), test 500 and Tren acetate. From what I've read it seems that I should not even worry about Tren as a newbie. So I was thinking of doing the test/EQ cycle. I've read up on different approaches with that stack but that's just someones opinion of what another person should do. Do I need to provide anymore information to get a more accurate breakdown of what route I should take? Thanks in advance guys

 

[Tazz]

you body fat is too high to be running steroids, it's extremely unsafe. and your first 2 cycles were Dianabol only cycles ? wow you screwed up man...

 

[RickRock]

Hey guys -

New to the forums and looking to get as much information as possible for what is available to me. I've done 2 oral cycles of dianabol in the past but nothing else. I'm 29 years old and have been lifting consistently now for a little over 4 years. I lifted when I was younger from the ages of 13-21 but slowly fell away from it in my early 20's. Right now I'm 5'10, 210lbs and 20% body fat. What I have available to me is Boldenone 250 (acetate 50/ undecyclinate 200), test 500 and Tren acetate. From what I've read it seems that I should not even worry about Tren as a newbie. So I was thinking of doing the test/EQ cycle. I've read up on different approaches with that stack but that's just someones opinion of what another person should do. Do I need to provide anymore information to get a more accurate breakdown of what route I should take? Thanks in advance guys

Right now your bodyfat is just far too elevated to start a steroid cycle bud. My recommendation to you would be to first run a sarms stack along with the proper diet to get yourself into better shape at 12-13% bodyfat before starting a cycle. It's just not safe to cycle at that bodyfat level for many reasons. Higher aromatization and chance of gyno as well as a much bigger strain on your health values.

A sarms stack can help you lose bodyfat while building strength endurance and lean mass, and that's my best recommendation to you right now. Here is what I would run.....get everything from www.sarmsx.com

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

 

[Saiyan]

Hey bro welcome. I think 20% is a little high for bf going into a cycle. I would suggest spending some time getting it down to at least 15%. Get your diet on point and this shouldn't be an issue. And then a straight test cycle would be perfect. It's best to do a test only to see how you react. And you are correct in saying no to tren right now lol


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[Doubi]

I really appreciate all of the quick feedback fellas. I'll hold off until I can get my body fat % down to at least 15%. RickRock thanks a ton for writing out a stack for me. You guys have been very helpful, I'll get back to you guys once I'm able to get that stubborn body fat down. Thanks again guys!

 

[RickRock]

I really appreciate all of the quick feedback fellas. I'll hold off until I can get my body fat % down to at least 15%. RickRock thanks a ton for writing out a stack for me. You guys have been very helpful, I'll get back to you guys once I'm able to get that stubborn body fat down. Thanks again guys!

Glad I could help brother. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Hey bro welcome. I think 20% is a little high for bf going into a cycle. I would suggest spending some time getting it down to at least 15%. Get your diet on point and this shouldn't be an issue. And then a straight test cycle would be perfect. It's best to do a test only to see how you react. And you are correct in saying no to tren right now lol


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Agreed.. Focus on dropping your bf% bro. Think of it as prep for your run. Then you can run a test only cycle. I wouldnt touch that test 500 though bud. Test is cheap, 200-250mg/ml is what you want.

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[Dirt]

I recommend you get the diet and training good, if u do that the bf% will drop, I wouldn't recommend anything else cuz they most important


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[Doubi]

Alright guys, I got my weight down to 200lbs and my bf% down to 15%. I took your advice on not going with the test 500 and I acquired Sustanon 300 (test propionate 50mg, test enanthate 125mg, test cypionate 125mg) along with the Boldenone 250 (acetate 50mg & undecyclinate 200mg) that I already had. I tried to get some test 250 but that's all I could get. I know you guys had said to do a test only cycle first but would it be beneficial to possibly add in the boldenone a little bit into the cycle after I've seen how my body reacts to the test or possibly in less than average doses during the entire cycle? I'm assuming if I store the boldenone properly I should be able to hold onto it for awhile if I end up not using it right now. Also, I will have nolva for pct but I don't think I'll be able to get the HCG. Should I hold off until I can get the HCG? Not sure if I would be able to get some. I'm extremely anxious to get started but of course I want to approach this the right way. Any advice helps, thanks a ton guys.

 

[AsapSlim]

Alright guys, I got my weight down to 200lbs and my bf% down to 15%. I took your advice on not going with the test 500 and I acquired Sustanon 300 (test propionate 50mg, test enanthate 125mg, test cypionate 125mg) along with the Boldenone 250 (acetate 50mg & undecyclinate 200mg) that I already had. I tried to get some test 250 but that's all I could get. I know you guys had said to do a test only cycle first but would it be beneficial to possibly add in the boldenone a little bit into the cycle after I've seen how my body reacts to the test or possibly in less than average doses during the entire cycle? I'm assuming if I store the boldenone properly I should be able to hold onto it for awhile if I end up not using it right now. Also, I will have nolva for pct but I don't think I'll be able to get the HCG. Should I hold off until I can get the HCG? Not sure if I would be able to get some. I'm extremely anxious to get started but of course I want to approach this the right way. Any advice helps, thanks a ton guys.

Congrats on getting the bodyfat down! I would say that 15% is still alittle risky for aas, but i will let the others chime in on that. Also i would have pct in hand before thinking about injecting, you never know how your body will react and you dont want to be waiting 3-4 days for your shipment to arrive...and meanwhile your body is being severly damaged.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Alright guys, I got my weight down to 200lbs and my bf% down to 15%. I took your advice on not going with the test 500 and I acquired Sustanon 300 (test propionate 50mg, test enanthate 125mg, test cypionate 125mg) along with the Boldenone 250 (acetate 50mg & undecyclinate 200mg) that I already had. I tried to get some test 250 but that's all I could get. I know you guys had said to do a test only cycle first but would it be beneficial to possibly add in the boldenone a little bit into the cycle after I've seen how my body reacts to the test or possibly in less than average doses during the entire cycle? I'm assuming if I store the boldenone properly I should be able to hold onto it for awhile if I end up not using it right now. Also, I will have nolva for pct but I don't think I'll be able to get the HCG. Should I hold off until I can get the HCG? Not sure if I would be able to get some. I'm extremely anxious to get started but of course I want to approach this the right way. Any advice helps, thanks a ton guys.

bro im sorry but you just dont know what your doing whatsoever yet and i have a hard time saying any of this is okay... your pct is absurd... i have educated time and time again about HCG being the WORST thing you can ever use in pct... its very detrimental to your recovery.. its supposed to be used before pct, not during... your continuing to mimic lh and fsh with hcg... thats the opposite of what you want in pct... the idea of pct is to reteach your body how to produce on its own, not suppress it further by continuing to mimic... not to mention that hcg can increase estrogen, which is one of the worst things you could ever do during pct... here is a link to the pct you need as well as the layout... i have done several videos explaining how to run pct, the importance, etc... here is the link for the pct stack... https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=platinum

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Doubi]

bro im sorry but you just dont know what your doing whatsoever yet and i have a hard time saying any of this is okay... your pct is absurd... i have educated time and time again about HCG being the WORST thing you can ever use in pct... its very detrimental to your recovery.. its supposed to be used before pct, not during... your continuing to mimic lh and fsh with hcg... thats the opposite of what you want in pct... the idea of pct is to reteach your body how to produce on its own, not suppress it further by continuing to mimic... not to mention that hcg can increase estrogen, which is one of the worst things you could ever do during pct... here is a link to the pct you need as well as the layout... i have done several videos explaining how to run pct, the importance, etc... here is the link for the pct stack... https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=platinum

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

Thanks for the quick response. I never said "this is what I'm doing", I'm simply stating the information that has been given to me from different sources and looking for the best advice to approach this the right way. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond and direct me in the right path Dylan. I've seen multiple videos of yours and I can definitely say you are extremely thorough in your explanations and research you've done. In regards to the PCT, I was just curious if nolva was ok to use without HCG. I'm glad you stumbled upon my thread because I can tell you know your information regarding this. I do know that I'm ignorant and a newbie when it comes to this area of expertise but like I said, that's why I'm on here asking questions and researching. I know you guys will be able to help me get started the right way so that I don't make any rookie mistakes that could cause health issues.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks for the quick response. I never said "this is what I'm doing", I'm simply stating the information that has been given to me from different sources and looking for the best advice to approach this the right way. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond and direct me in the right path Dylan. I've seen multiple videos of yours and I can definitely say you are extremely thorough in your explanations and research you've done. In regards to the PCT, I was just curious if nolva was ok to use without HCG. I'm glad you stumbled upon my thread because I can tell you know your information regarding this. I do know that I'm ignorant and a newbie when it comes to this area of expertise but like I said, that's why I'm on here asking questions and researching. I know you guys will be able to help me get started the right way so that I don't make any rookie mistakes that could cause health issues.

hey bro, im happy to help... i guess im not understanding what your not understanding on this though... i made it clear you never use hcg in pct... so why would you think that hcg needs to or is even supposed to be run with nolva? someone is giving you TERRIBLE advice that is going to get you hurt... i told you how to use hcg and i told you the pct that you needed to run so im just confused as to what your asking about hcg and nolva together? i showed you exactly how to use them both and also as to when... if there was a way to make it even easier i would but i am certain with the way i explained and the layout, it cannot be broken down any further...

 

[Doubi]

My bad Dylan, I understood what you were saying based off your first response but I was just letting you know what my initial questions were and why I was asking them. Basically just reiterating why I was asking those questions in the first place. Sorry man, just a little bit of miscommunication haha. I agree, I wasn't getting good information from the gym buddies and I had that inkling so I'm glad I joined the forums to get a better understanding of everything. You guys are super informative and I really appreciate that. So I've got a great PCT stack thanks to Dylan, how do you guys feel about the sust 300 and bold 250? Should I just run a cycle of the sust first and save the bold 250 for later use? what kind of layout are you guys thinking either way?

 

[DylanGemelli]

My bad Dylan, I understood what you were saying based off your first response but I was just letting you know what my initial questions were and why I was asking them. Basically just reiterating why I was asking those questions in the first place. Sorry man, just a little bit of miscommunication haha. I agree, I wasn't getting good information from the gym buddies and I had that inkling so I'm glad I joined the forums to get a better understanding of everything. You guys are super informative and I really appreciate that. So I've got a great PCT stack thanks to Dylan, how do you guys feel about the sust 300 and bold 250? Should I just run a cycle of the sust first and save the bold 250 for later use? what kind of layout are you guys thinking either way?

you would never use boldenone on a first cycle bro.. its one of my favorites but you dont use it at first... you go with test only and possibly a few sarms... your trying to sprint a marathon and when you do that, you last about as long as a sprint does.. mere seconds, where the goal should be that you last like a distance runner would... not sure why you went with sustanon on your first either... you just like to keep making things more complicated for yourself.. first, you had test 500, which honestly, is just ridiculous bro and now your going with a mix of esters on your first cycle... i guess i don't understand why you continue to make these choices... you can run sust if you want but i would honestly save it for your next cycle and just run regular fucking compounds... LOL fuck bro, im sorry, its frustrating... just run test cyp on your first... i will give you a full layout... you can get all your sarms, aromasin, full pct at www.sarmsx.com Here is a link for the pct stack... https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=platinum


1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg edo
1-14 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-14 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Doubi]

you would never use boldenone on a first cycle bro.. its one of my favorites but you dont use it at first... you go with test only and possibly a few sarms... your trying to sprint a marathon and when you do that, you last about as long as a sprint does.. mere seconds, where the goal should be that you last like a distance runner would... not sure why you went with sustanon on your first either... you just like to keep making things more complicated for yourself.. first, you had test 500, which honestly, is just ridiculous bro and now your going with a mix of esters on your first cycle... i guess i don't understand why you continue to make these choices... you can run sust if you want but i would honestly save it for your next cycle and just run regular fucking compounds... LOL fuck bro, im sorry, its frustrating... just run test cyp on your first... i will give you a full layout... you can get all your sarms, aromasin, full pct at www.sarmsx.com Here is a link for the pct stack... https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=platinum


1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg edo
1-14 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-14 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

I never had the test 500 it's just what was available for me to get. Since everyone was saying how bad it is on a first cycle I didn't end up purchasing it (thankfully haha). Sustanon 300 was my only other option. I wish I had access to acquire what I need but unfortunately it's the only thing I could get my hands on. I'm not purposely making things harder on myself, this is just the only thing I have available. If I had the option to get everything you're saying I should use, I definitely would man. Of course anything that is provided on the site I can purchase but as far as anything that I would need to get through an "outside source" I'm not 100% sure I can get. I tried for a couple months to get test cyp with no luck. My intent isn't to get anyone frustrated or pissed off, I'm just trying to get some information so I do things the right way. Isn't that what the forums are for? Also please don't think I'm not appreciative that you're helping me out, I definitely am. I just don't understand why I'm getting you mad. With anything in life, we all start off as beginners until we have had the education/experience to become more knowledgeable. I'm just a beginner on the topic looking to become more informed. I'll try again to see if test cyp is available through my sources.

 

[RickRock]

Alright guys, I got my weight down to 200lbs and my bf% down to 15%. I took your advice on not going with the test 500 and I acquired Sustanon 300 (test propionate 50mg, test enanthate 125mg, test cypionate 125mg) along with the Boldenone 250 (acetate 50mg & undecyclinate 200mg) that I already had. I tried to get some test 250 but that's all I could get. I know you guys had said to do a test only cycle first but would it be beneficial to possibly add in the boldenone a little bit into the cycle after I've seen how my body reacts to the test or possibly in less than average doses during the entire cycle? I'm assuming if I store the boldenone properly I should be able to hold onto it for awhile if I end up not using it right now. Also, I will have nolva for pct but I don't think I'll be able to get the HCG. Should I hold off until I can get the HCG? Not sure if I would be able to get some. I'm extremely anxious to get started but of course I want to approach this the right way. Any advice helps, thanks a ton guys.

You cannot use HCG in PCT man. I'm sorry, but that is completely counterproductive to recovery. It is to be used the last 4 weeks of the cycle and while esters are clearing only. Dosage is 500ius twice per week.

Then when pct starts you need to run this

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED

 

[BraedenB]

You can run sust if you want but it's just not recommended. Dylan laid out the BEST first cycle for you. If you can't do things right don't do it at all. If you absolutely have to use sust it's not the end of the world but I would not screw around with pct. pct is where you go balls to the wall

 

[DylanGemelli]

I never had the test 500 it's just what was available for me to get. Since everyone was saying how bad it is on a first cycle I didn't end up purchasing it (thankfully haha). Sustanon 300 was my only other option. I wish I had access to acquire what I need but unfortunately it's the only thing I could get my hands on. I'm not purposely making things harder on myself, this is just the only thing I have available. If I had the option to get everything you're saying I should use, I definitely would man. Of course anything that is provided on the site I can purchase but as far as anything that I would need to get through an "outside source" I'm not 100% sure I can get. I tried for a couple months to get test cyp with no luck. My intent isn't to get anyone frustrated or pissed off, I'm just trying to get some information so I do things the right way. Isn't that what the forums are for? Also please don't think I'm not appreciative that you're helping me out, I definitely am. I just don't understand why I'm getting you mad. With anything in life, we all start off as beginners until we have had the education/experience to become more knowledgeable. I'm just a beginner on the topic looking to become more informed. I'll try again to see if test cyp is available through my sources.

hey bro... apparently your not reading everything i wrote... i wrote LOL after what i said because i was being serious but not in a serious tone about things... you have to READ everything i write plus you haven't been here long enough to know me etc... im not mad at you whatsoever bro!! that's COMPLETELY off base... obviously if i was so mad i would not be helping you, giving you layouts nor actually taking the time to write long responses... just so you understand...

so bro, test cyp is probably the easiest thing you can get... we have so many sources here that can get you taken care of on that... i dont get into that but there's plenty here for you to pick from if your having trouble...

the best thing you can do is be here and ask questions... i guess i wont be as "fun" or try to get a laugh from you in any further posts... i just want to help... i was just making some light of things and trying to be funny with you about it but apparently your not that type and that's fine, not everyone is... im more than happy to help... i just want you to do things right and in the safest way while still getting the most out of things... let me know if you have any further questions...

 

[Doubi]

Sorry man, hard to pick up on tone online you know?haha I know it can be annoying having to explain things in layman's terms to a newbie. Jumped the gun a bit too early my bad Dylan! I'll know for future reference now that you like to joke around. I think based off of everything you've told me I'm going to end up storing what I have now for a future cycle and aim my sights on getting the exact cycle you wrote out for me. I was thinking about going with the same company that made the sust/bold that I have but I can't find them for shit anywhere online! Which is what I expected. I'm sure if I dig around a bit on here I can find a provider for everything I need. Guys thanks again, extremely happy that you guys enlightened me on the do's and don'ts. When I end up starting this cycle I'll keep a log and update you guys on my progress.