First cycle traditional or short?

[Lazyinphuket]

Hi everybody. This is my first ever post on an anabolic forum. I searched the forum rules but could not find any? So if I say the wrong thing it's unintended.

My stats, 43 YO Lifting off and on since I was 17 YO. 175cm 79kg Ecto with Meso tendencies. I have been back in the gym now for 4 years after a 2 year layoff. Pretty close to my genetic max again. Recently had a Dexa that put me at 13% BF. I was surprised as I have visible veins across abs, separation in Quads etc. Diet is on point.

I found my way here after watching Dylan's vids on YouTube. Have been researching AAS for about 2 years now. My aim is 4-5kg of keepable gains, I'm not looking for 10kg from a cycle. Recently stumbled across the idea of 2-3 week cycles as opposed to the normal longer version. This sounds great but does it work? Has anybody here tried it? Is a mini PCT still advisable?

If these short cycles are workable I would be happy to run 3 or 4 each year, I'm not suggesting that I would achieve my goal with one cycle. As to TRT I don't want to go that path right now. Blood work will be done pre and post. Happy to post pics ( if that's allowed ) as I know I'm lean enough to start my journey with AAS.

 

[cbbram00]

Welcome to the forum brother! I'm 45 years old and I too am back in the gym after a break. I'm more than sure you'll find all the information you are looking for here. This is a great place to be.

 

[RickRock]

Hi everybody. This is my first ever post on an anabolic forum. I searched the forum rules but could not find any? So if I say the wrong thing it's unintended.

My stats, 43 YO Lifting off and on since I was 17 YO. 175cm 79kg Ecto with Meso tendencies. I have been back in the gym now for 4 years after a 2 year layoff. Pretty close to my genetic max again. Recently had a Dexa that put me at 13% BF. I was surprised as I have visible veins across abs, separation in Quads etc. Diet is on point.

I found my way here after watching Dylan's vids on YouTube. Have been researching AAS for about 2 years now. My aim is 4-5kg of keepable gains, I'm not looking for 10kg from a cycle. Recently stumbled across the idea of 2-3 week cycles as opposed to the normal longer version. This sounds great but does it work? Has anybody here tried it? Is a mini PCT still advisable?

If these short cycles are workable I would be happy to run 3 or 4 each year, I'm not suggesting that I would achieve my goal with one cycle. As to TRT I don't want to go that path right now. Blood work will be done pre and post. Happy to post pics ( if that's allowed ) as I know I'm lean enough to start my journey with AAS.

I don't see the point or validity in running cycles that short. For the best cycle in terms of results, it's best to get the most benefit by running the compounds long enough. I suggest typically 12 week cycles with long estered test for a first cycle. That's a pretty safe bet. You can always throw some sarms in to enhance it further, but there is no point at all to running 2-3 week cycles

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hi everybody. This is my first ever post on an anabolic forum. I searched the forum rules but could not find any? So if I say the wrong thing it's unintended.

My stats, 43 YO Lifting off and on since I was 17 YO. 175cm 79kg Ecto with Meso tendencies. I have been back in the gym now for 4 years after a 2 year layoff. Pretty close to my genetic max again. Recently had a Dexa that put me at 13% BF. I was surprised as I have visible veins across abs, separation in Quads etc. Diet is on point.

I found my way here after watching Dylan's vids on YouTube. Have been researching AAS for about 2 years now. My aim is 4-5kg of keepable gains, I'm not looking for 10kg from a cycle. Recently stumbled across the idea of 2-3 week cycles as opposed to the normal longer version. This sounds great but does it work? Has anybody here tried it? Is a mini PCT still advisable?

If these short cycles are workable I would be happy to run 3 or 4 each year, I'm not suggesting that I would achieve my goal with one cycle. As to TRT I don't want to go that path right now. Blood work will be done pre and post. Happy to post pics ( if that's allowed ) as I know I'm lean enough to start my journey with AAS.

welcome to adrenaline rush brother... great to have you here! you came to the right place and you definitely need to get pointed in the right direction as you have clearly read some very poor information... 2-3 week cycles? please do yourself a favor and do not go back to whatever site or person is giving you this type of guidance and information...

for the type of gains you are after and just starting out, it does not require a massive cycle... the best way to get started and to not put too much strain on your body would be a simple test and sarms cycle... this way you can absolutely get the gains you want, have minimal side effects and minimal suppression and start out introducing your body to outside stimulus that are not toxicity filled and putting your body through too much initial surprise as a fist time user but still get the intended results you are after...

if you are not familiar with sarms, please read my articles at www.pureessencesarms.com and watch my videos as well... here is the cycle layout

1-12 test cyp 500 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 proviron 50 mg day
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Lazyinphuket]

Ok thanks for the prompt reply. The book containing that info is called Bottomline Bodybuilding by Nelson Montana. It was just a thought as I want to explore all possible methods before commencing. :roll:

 

[DylanGemelli]

Ok thanks for the prompt reply. The book containing that info is called Bottomline Bodybuilding by Nelson Montana. It was just a thought as I want to explore all possible methods before commencing. :roll:

Oh fuck bro... Please dont read or listen to anything he has to say... He is far beyond crazy and extremely clueless and that is me being polite... He is so absurd and now it makes sense where you got something so ridiculous from

 

[EZ_E]

Hi everybody. This is my first ever post on an anabolic forum. I searched the forum rules but could not find any? So if I say the wrong thing it's unintended.

My stats, 43 YO Lifting off and on since I was 17 YO. 175cm 79kg Ecto with Meso tendencies. I have been back in the gym now for 4 years after a 2 year layoff. Pretty close to my genetic max again. Recently had a Dexa that put me at 13% BF. I was surprised as I have visible veins across abs, separation in Quads etc. Diet is on point.

I found my way here after watching Dylan's vids on YouTube. Have been researching AAS for about 2 years now. My aim is 4-5kg of keepable gains, I'm not looking for 10kg from a cycle. Recently stumbled across the idea of 2-3 week cycles as opposed to the normal longer version. This sounds great but does it work? Has anybody here tried it? Is a mini PCT still advisable?

If these short cycles are workable I would be happy to run 3 or 4 each year, I'm not suggesting that I would achieve my goal with one cycle. As to TRT I don't want to go that path right now. Blood work will be done pre and post. Happy to post pics ( if that's allowed ) as I know I'm lean enough to start my journey with AAS.

Welcome to AR bossman, glad to have another member of the 40+ club here.

Well written post, you've given us the info we need and are keeping your goals realistic.

And nice job on doing your homework.

 

[Lazyinphuket]

Thanks for all the repsonses. I'm living in a country that I can buy everything I need ( except sarms ) from the local pharmacy. So tempted to get my pre blood work done today and start but I will wait until January to commence, maybe.

Will order those Sarms. Thanks again.

 

[Pharma Lady]

Welcome to the forum, please follow the advice given here, 2-3 week cycle is worthless, Dylan Gemelli has written out a good basic cycle for you, you can always adjust

 

[RickRock]

Ok thanks for the prompt reply. The book containing that info is called Bottomline Bodybuilding by Nelson Montana. It was just a thought as I want to explore all possible methods before commencing. :roll:

Lol, Nelson is pretty much clueless and way off base with his cycling strategies. Dylan and I have had many interactions with him in the past, and you definitely don't want to follow any of his methods or advice.

Stick with the layout that Dylan laid out, and you will be very pleased. The inclusion of sarms into the cycle will really enhance your cycle greatly and I'm sure you will love your results

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks for all the repsonses. I'm living in a country that I can buy everything I need ( except sarms ) from the local pharmacy. So tempted to get my pre blood work done today and start but I will wait until January to commence, maybe.

Will order those Sarms. Thanks again.

im just truly sorry you had to read and get confused as you did but trust me when i tell you and rick can tell you first hand... nelson lives on a planet that literally NOONE lives on.. if you know him as we do and have seen first hand and behind the scenes type of things from him, you would know that hes far past the looney bin... its very bad... i'll just leave it at that...

you can start this cycle anytime... definitely take advantage of what you can get at your pharmacy... thats a great option to have... all the sarms can easily be shipped to you with no issue so your set... i like your plan of obtaining bloodwork before your cycle... that should be mandatory and i LOVE that your doing that... if you need any help along the way, don't hesitate to let me know...

 

[Angel]

Welcome..

changing my life around one day at a time!!

 

[Lazyinphuket]

Ok thanks again for all the responses, just a few things to clarify.

1. 500mg in one weekly shot? Or split mon Thursday?

2. HCG all at once or split mon Thursday?

3. If I reduced the test to 8 or 10 weeks would PCT dose and time change? Would a different test be used? Needles don't bother me, so EOD would be ok, if required.

I travel across international borders periodically so 12 weeks + PCT could be a bit long.
Where I live anything goes but other countries not so much.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Ok thanks again for all the responses, just a few things to clarify.

1. 500mg in one weekly shot? Or split mon Thursday?

2. HCG all at once or split mon Thursday?

3. If I reduced the test to 8 or 10 weeks would PCT dose and time change? Would a different test be used? Needles don't bother me, so EOD would be ok, if required.

I travel across international borders periodically so 12 weeks + PCT could be a bit long.
Where I live anything goes but other countries not so much.

1. split

2. split

3. here you go

1-10 test prop 150 mg eod
1-10 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-10 proviron 50 mg day
1-10 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-10 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-10 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
9-12 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[EZ_E]

Thanks for all the repsonses. I'm living in a country that I can buy everything I need ( except sarms ) from the local pharmacy. So tempted to get my pre blood work done today and start but I will wait until January to commence, maybe.

Will order those Sarms. Thanks again.

Need a roommate?

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks for all the repsonses. I'm living in a country that I can buy everything I need ( except sarms ) from the local pharmacy. So tempted to get my pre blood work done today and start but I will wait until January to commence, maybe.

Will order those Sarms. Thanks again.

Need a roommate?

LMFAO!

 

[JMHinAZ]

Hmm, more of the 40+ crowd on here than I thought. Last time I was in Phuket was courtesy of the Navy, absolutely paradise! I'm looking forward to your progress.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hmm, more of the 40+ crowd on here than I thought. Last time I was in Phuket was courtesy of the Navy, absolutely paradise! I'm looking forward to your progress.

bro that's the beauty of the community here... all ages, genders, body types, etc... this is already the most diverse YET closest knit community you can find and as we grow together, the closer we become together...