first cycle.. test only

[nybodybuilder]

hello all.
thinking of doing my first cycle this fall.. i have been lurking around the forums and have read a lot and educated myself from other people's post but thought its now my turn to ask for help.
so my stats:
31 years old
weight: 175 lb
height 5-8
body fat ~13-14%
training - been training since a young age of 19, but really got serious about it after age 25. train about 5-6 times a week...i like training volume so i train a good 1.5 hrs to 2 hours.
previous cycle: none, but i did try a 12 weeks sarms stack last year when i first heard about this website through dylans youtube videos. i was taking lgd, s4,mk,gw for 12 weeks. had some decent gains. but now i think i am hitting my natural peak. gains are very slow. I think its time for me to try my first test only cycle. i dont want to add anything else. so was thinking of test cypionate.. noticed everyone is recommending 350 /wk is that for everybody, does apply to me as well. 12 weeks cycle? with aromasin to avoid estrogen conversion.

my goals: to get leaner stay around the the same weight but make some decent lean muscle mass gains. so basically looking to recomp. i have a pretty good understanding about diet.

what should my PCT be? nova + clomid? dosage/how long?

also for longest time i have stayed away from steroids because of my fear for needles? any suggestions on your experience with first time pinning..what size needle/syringe do you use? where do you get these from, any websites, how to dispose them safely? IM vs subq? best site to pin?

Thank you all in advance. hope to hear your responses.

 

[DylanGemelli]

hello all.
thinking of doing my first cycle this fall.. i have been lurking around the forums and have read a lot and educated myself from other people's post but thought its now my turn to ask for help.
so my stats:
31 years old
weight: 175 lb
height 5-8
body fat ~13-14%
training - been training since a young age of 19, but really got serious about it after age 25. train about 5-6 times a week...i like training volume so i train a good 1.5 hrs to 2 hours.
previous cycle: none, but i did try a 12 weeks sarms stack last year when i first heard about this website through dylans youtube videos. i was taking lgd, s4,mk,gw for 12 weeks. had some decent gains. but now i think i am hitting my natural peak. gains are very slow. I think its time for me to try my first test only cycle. i dont want to add anything else. so was thinking of test cypionate.. noticed everyone is recommending 350 /wk is that for everybody, does apply to me as well. 12 weeks cycle? with aromasin to avoid estrogen conversion.

my goals: to get leaner stay around the the same weight but make some decent lean muscle mass gains. so basically looking to recomp. i have a pretty good understanding about diet.

what should my PCT be? nova + clomid? dosage/how long?

also for longest time i have stayed away from steroids because of my fear for needles? any suggestions on your experience with first time pinning..what size needle/syringe do you use? where do you get these from, any websites, how to dispose them safely? IM vs subq? best site to pin?

Thank you all in advance. hope to hear your responses.

hey bro... gpz services or allegro medical are great sites for pins... i would go with glutes, delts and quads for injections... delts are very easy.. 25 gague 1 inch needles are great, not as painful as a 23 and unless your going glutes, you can stick with 1 inch.. some should be using 1.5 inch on glutes unless you are extremely lean, then 1 inch is fine... IM bro for the injection...

i have the perfect layout for you... you can get your sarms, ancillaries and full pct stack at www.sarmsx.com

here is the layout

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-14 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[9th Wonder]

Dylan gave you a solid layout bro.. You may even consider running S4 with this stack.

 

[Bigbird]

Great advice so far for sure. I noticed that you also asked about sub q vs. intermuscular injects. All of your testosterone injections should be intermuscular. As for disposal of pins, the best way is to get either a sharps disposal container from a drug store or online, or like me, you can just use an old liquid laundry detergent bottle. It's the safe, responsible way, vs slinging them like lawn darts at the neighbor's dog. For your first cycle I would avoid quad injects. They typically have more nerve endings and you could also experience some PIP as your body adjusts to the test injects. I personally would recommend glutes if you can reach them easy and delts. Just do a little research on spot injections for proper technique, it's a rather simple process and not as intimidating as it may seem initially.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Great advice so far for sure. I noticed that you also asked about sub q vs. intermuscular injects. All of your testosterone injections should be intermuscular. As for disposal of pins, the best way is to get either a sharps disposal container from a drug store or online, or like me, you can just use an old liquid laundry detergent bottle. It's the safe, responsible way, vs slinging them like lawn darts at the neighbor's dog. For your first cycle I would avoid quad injects. They typically have more nerve endings and you could also experience some PIP as your body adjusts to the test injects. I personally would recommend glutes if you can reach them easy and delts. Just do a little research on spot injections for proper technique, it's a rather simple process and not as intimidating as it may seem initially.

i agree... quads take some practice because there are landmines everywhere! LOL its very deceiving because its such a large muscle but there are just as may bad spots to avoid...

 

[nybodybuilder]

Thank you guys glutes and delts will be my go to then... ill gather everything in the next few weeks. and hope to start my cycle in September.. thank you all for the advice.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thank you guys glutes and delts will be my go to then... ill gather everything in the next few weeks. and hope to start my cycle in September.. thank you all for the advice.

absolutely brother... let me know if you have any questions along the way and make sure to keep us updated on your results...

 

[nybodybuilder]

also how i important is hcg really?? is it a must?? i noticed you put hcg sort of like a bridge from the cycle to the PCT?

 

[RickRock]

hello all.
thinking of doing my first cycle this fall.. i have been lurking around the forums and have read a lot and educated myself from other people's post but thought its now my turn to ask for help.
so my stats:
31 years old
weight: 175 lb
height 5-8
body fat ~13-14%
training - been training since a young age of 19, but really got serious about it after age 25. train about 5-6 times a week...i like training volume so i train a good 1.5 hrs to 2 hours.
previous cycle: none, but i did try a 12 weeks sarms stack last year when i first heard about this website through dylans youtube videos. i was taking lgd, s4,mk,gw for 12 weeks. had some decent gains. but now i think i am hitting my natural peak. gains are very slow. I think its time for me to try my first test only cycle. i dont want to add anything else. so was thinking of test cypionate.. noticed everyone is recommending 350 /wk is that for everybody, does apply to me as well. 12 weeks cycle? with aromasin to avoid estrogen conversion.

my goals: to get leaner stay around the the same weight but make some decent lean muscle mass gains. so basically looking to recomp. i have a pretty good understanding about diet.

what should my PCT be? nova + clomid? dosage/how long?

also for longest time i have stayed away from steroids because of my fear for needles? any suggestions on your experience with first time pinning..what size needle/syringe do you use? where do you get these from, any websites, how to dispose them safely? IM vs subq? best site to pin?

Thank you all in advance. hope to hear your responses.

Dylan gave you a great protocol to follow. I'll also give you another great alternative cycle as well. I strongly recommend adding in a couple sarms to the cycle for your Recomp goals. It will greatly enhance the cycle

1-12 Test C 350mg per week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…

PCT

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED

 

[Bigbird]

also how i important is hcg really?? is it a must?? i noticed you put hcg sort of like a bridge from the cycle to the PCT?

HCG, in simple terms is going to tell your body to begin producing as it naturally should, after being shut down from the testosterone. Is it a must? Probably not. But it is very affordable and will only help to ensure a good, quick recovery. It will prime your body, so to speak for your serms to complete the recovery process. I agree with the recommendation.

 

[nybodybuilder]

HCG, in simple terms is going to tell your body to begin producing as it naturally should, after being shut down from the testosterone. Is it a must? Probably not. But it is very affordable and will only help to ensure a good, quick recovery. It will prime your body, so to speak for your serms to complete the recovery process. I agree with the recommendation.

thanks for the clarification, will use hcg then as well.

 

[bodean30]

i agree... quads take some practice because there are landmines everywhere! LOL its very deceiving because its such a large muscle but there are just as may bad spots to avoid...

Nah! Start with quads. It's easier to see what you're doing, you can use two hands, and aspirating is easy.

Once you hit those landmines it makes the other sites seem so much easier. Lol
You don't know what you're missing until you hit a nerve!

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[MaxxPursuit]

Thank you guys glutes and delts will be my go to then... ill gather everything in the next few weeks. and hope to start my cycle in September.. thank you all for the advice.

Glutes and delts are my go to places as well. Just take your time bud and it'll become second nature. GPZ, Allegro, Shopmedvet are all reliable and discreet with good prices. I use 25gx1.5" for glutes and 25gx1" for delts, etc. To dispose of used pins, you can either get a sharps box or you can just throw them in an old protein jug like me.. gets the job done. You got a great layout from Dylan. Follow that, train hard, and eat properly... I see gains in your future.

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[mastermolnar]

Good questions OP. You said you wanted to simply run test with nothing added so you can certainly leave the sarms out. Also the dosing of aromasin may end up being too high at 12.5mg every other day for running 350 test a week. Keep an eye out for sluggishness and strength drops. If you crash your estrogen its not terrible, just sucks because you'll feel weak and depleted for a few days.

Its also my opinion that hcg is not necessary for this type of cycle. Low dose test only is minimally suppressive in comparison to cycles I would consider the use of HCG for. It wont hurt to take it for sure but why? Also the traditional PCT layout is aromasin, nolva and clomid. A lot of guys put sarms in their PCT but it is not necessary for recovery at all.

As for pinning, my favorite spot is quads but I couldnt have started there. Glutes are where I started and I rotate between glutes quads and delts (if I need to) depending on how many tikes im pinning per week. I use a sharps container to dispose and personally like 1" 22g nipro. Gpzservices.com has 100 pack deal for like 40 after shipping

 

[nybodybuilder]

Good questions OP. You said you wanted to simply run test with nothing added so you can certainly leave the sarms out. Also the dosing of aromasin may end up being too high at 12.5mg every other day for running 350 test a week. Keep an eye out for sluggishness and strength drops. If you crash your estrogen its not terrible, just sucks because you'll feel weak and depleted for a few days.

Its also my opinion that hcg is not necessary for this type of cycle. Low dose test only is minimally suppressive in comparison to cycles I would consider the use of HCG for. It wont hurt to take it for sure but why? Also the traditional PCT layout is aromasin, nolva and clomid. A lot of guys put sarms in their PCT but it is not necessary for recovery at all.

As for pinning, my favorite spot is quads but I couldnt have started there. Glutes are where I started and I rotate between glutes quads and delts (if I need to) depending on how many tikes im pinning per week. I use a sharps container to dispose and personally like 1" 22g nipro. Gpzservices.com has 100 pack deal for like 40 after shipping

thanks for your input as well. yes this cycle i am planning on doing just test + ancillaries. i dont think i will incorporate sarms yet, have to budget everything...maybe in future cycles.

also I will be getting my aromasin from sarmsx, noticed their dosage is 15 mg/ml. do i just go a little short of 1 ml to dose 12.5 mg as instructed here. or go for 1 ml = 15 mg, sorry if this is stupid question.

 

[mastermolnar]

thanks for your input as well. yes this cycle i am planning on doing just test + ancillaries. i dont think i will incorporate sarms yet, have to budget everything...maybe in future cycles.

also I will be getting my aromasin from sarmsx, noticed their dosage is 15 mg/ml. do i just go a little short of 1 ml to dose 12.5 mg as instructed here. or go for 1 ml = 15 mg, sorry if this is stupid question.

15 is fine but are you sure its not 25mg/ml? I havent seen the website in awhile so maybe it is indeed 15. I remember it being 25 though

 

[nybodybuilder]

thanks brother.

 

[RickRock]

thanks for your input as well. yes this cycle i am planning on doing just test + ancillaries. i dont think i will incorporate sarms yet, have to budget everything...maybe in future cycles.

also I will be getting my aromasin from sarmsx, noticed their dosage is 15 mg/ml. do i just go a little short of 1 ml to dose 12.5 mg as instructed here. or go for 1 ml = 15 mg, sorry if this is stupid question.

I'd just go for 15mg EOD, which is just fine. Or you can do the conversion like listed below. Either way the 2.5mg won't make a difference really

 

[MaxxPursuit]

I'd just go for 15mg EOD, which is just fine. Or you can do the conversion like listed below. Either way the 2.5mg won't make a difference really

Ya I'd just run the 15mg eod. No need in over-complicating things. The extra 2.5mg isn't a big deal.

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[nybodybuilder]

Thank you all for all your responses. I am gathering everything to prepare myself for it.

my other questions is should i get blood work, i have had basic blood work done earlier this yr through my primary physician... of course it didnt include horomone panel, just cbc, cmp, lipid, tsh, and everything is normal top to bottom.

is it a must to get blood work pre , during and post cycles.
i saw someone posted this link in another thread. is this the one i need?
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php