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First cycle low test and tbol recommendation

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Muscle Nerd

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Hello fellas!
I am about to do a first proper cycle and I need your thought.
I am thinking about doing the following:
Week 1-10 test E 250mg/week
Week 1-4 tbol 70mg/day
Week 5-10 proviron 50mg/day

Pct nova 20/20/10/10, clomid 50/50/50/50

Questions:
1) Do I leave much gains on the table with only 250mg/week test? I thought not to mess with estrogens and also let the tbol shine.
2) I have tbol for another 4 weeks @70mg/day but I think to stay on the conservative side and not use it. Again, is it a wise decision?

Some stats: Age 28, weight 75kg, lifting/dieting for 8 years, quite low bf as all abs are visible. I have used sarms for 3 cycles and a ph once (stupid). My calories would be in surplus and I am looking to pack some water free muscle.
Thank you all
 
on a first cycle you run TEST ONLY... you would definitely not run tbol and that would be too high for tbol as well... how tall are you and what is your body fat? also, your pct is horrible and will not provide anywhere near the proper recovery
 
I am 172cm and I believe under 15%bf.
I thought that test itself at that low dose would not be strong enough to make the shutdown worthy.
Also what would you you suggest for pct? Isn’t nolva and clomid the gold standard of that process since forever?
Thank you
 
Wouldn’t nolva be enough to prevent e2 rebound in pct at such low test dose?
I agree with the rest I will add ostarine and gw to pct as you said.
 
Muscle Nerd said:
Wouldn’t nolva be enough to prevent e2 rebound in pct at such low test dose?
I agree with the rest I will add ostarine and gw to pct as you said.
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Clomid is better than nolva for restarting your HPTA system ...you need both
 
Thanks but my question was about aromasin and estrogen. I ask again:
Wouldn’t nolva be enough without aromasin to prevent estrogen rebound in pct at such low test dose?
 
Muscle Nerd said:
Thanks but my question was about aromasin and estrogen. I ask again:
Wouldn’t nolva be enough without aromasin to prevent estrogen rebound in pct at such low test dose?
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How low your test dose is doesn't matter. Shutdown is shutdown. You can't go lower than zero, so recovery has the same requirements. I would run the full pct as recommended
 
Alright. Last question: do you think it will make a noticeable difference in gains to add mk677 to cycle or I will just make a bigger hole to my wallet?
 
Muscle Nerd said:
Alright. Last question: do you think it will make a noticeable difference in gains to add mk677 to cycle or I will just make a bigger hole to my wallet?
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Mk677 absolutely adds benefit, but keep in mind it needs ran long term of 6 months or more to let it shine. It works just like GH
 
Muscle Nerd said:
Thanks but my question was about aromasin and estrogen. I ask again:
Wouldn’t nolva be enough without aromasin to prevent estrogen rebound in pct at such low test dose?
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NO it does not... nolvadex does NOTHING for estrogen rebound.. aromasin not only prevents that but also increases igf levels in the higher 70% which is HUGE for recovery and NO , nolva and clomid is more like the bronze standard or actually less than that... its a joke bro... thats the standard in the 80's when they did not have anything else nor know better...

mk677 would be a HUGE benefit on anything you run... if it was just a "huge dent in the wallet" then noone would use it... its the closest thing to hgh you can find bro...
 
Hello to all members again. I thought to share an update after the 8 weeks mark that I pass today:

-Cycle alterations:
After 1 month of 250mg, I upped the test to 350mg. I also added mk677 from day 1 as I have been suggested.

-Progress:
Today, on my last tbol day, I weight about 83kgs (starting from 75). I have been here before, but this time is a bit cleaner and with more quality. No, I don’t have that wow jacked look but i have shown decent progress combined with my strict meal everyday routine.
I went to 85+kg range but I didn’t look good as water and fat really stepped in. So I cut some carbs and I now am in the sweet spot of looking full without looking fat.

-Thoughts:
Well I think that I should have started at 350 test from beggining but no worries as I am always on the conservative side of life.
The tbol gave me some strong lower back pumps but taurine and water helped the situation. 677 gave me great sleep as always (together with increased water retention) and for proviron I am not that experienced to understand any gains that came from it, except of increased libido.

-Suggestion:
I have one month left of test + proviron. I have pct in place also. Do you think it would be beneficial to add S4 for the last month or because of diminishing returns-saturated receptors-already 8 weeks in another oral I should leave if for my cutting cycle?
Also how many days after last test E pin I have to wait to start pct?

Thanks
 
Muscle Nerd said:
Hello to all members again. I thought to share an update after the 8 weeks mark that I pass today:

-Cycle alterations:
After 1 month of 250mg, I upped the test to 350mg. I also added mk677 from day 1 as I have been suggested.

-Progress:
Today, on my last tbol day, I weight about 83kgs (starting from 75). I have been here before, but this time is a bit cleaner and with more quality. No, I don’t have that wow jacked look but i have shown decent progress combined with my strict meal everyday routine.
I went to 85+kg range but I didn’t look good as water and fat really stepped in. So I cut some carbs and I now am in the sweet spot of looking full without looking fat.

-Thoughts:
Well I think that I should have started at 350 test from beggining but no worries as I am always on the conservative side of life.
The tbol gave me some strong lower back pumps but taurine and water helped the situation. 677 gave me great sleep as always (together with increased water retention) and for proviron I am not that experienced to understand any gains that came from it, except of increased libido.

-Suggestion:
I have one month left of test + proviron. I have pct in place also. Do you think it would be beneficial to add S4 for the last month or because of diminishing returns-saturated receptors-already 8 weeks in another oral I should leave if for my cutting cycle?
Also how many days after last test E pin I have to wait to start pct?

Thanks
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I'd save the s4. Not really much benefit in 4 weeks of use.

Pct starts two weeks after last injection

Last two weeks of your cycle, and the two weeks esters are clearing I would use Post CT to kickstart your test production going into pct https://www.dganutrition.com/post-ct
 
Muscle Nerd said:
Hello to all members again. I thought to share an update after the 8 weeks mark that I pass today:

-Cycle alterations:
After 1 month of 250mg, I upped the test to 350mg. I also added mk677 from day 1 as I have been suggested.

-Progress:
Today, on my last tbol day, I weight about 83kgs (starting from 75). I have been here before, but this time is a bit cleaner and with more quality. No, I don’t have that wow jacked look but i have shown decent progress combined with my strict meal everyday routine.
I went to 85+kg range but I didn’t look good as water and fat really stepped in. So I cut some carbs and I now am in the sweet spot of looking full without looking fat.

-Thoughts:
Well I think that I should have started at 350 test from beggining but no worries as I am always on the conservative side of life.
The tbol gave me some strong lower back pumps but taurine and water helped the situation. 677 gave me great sleep as always (together with increased water retention) and for proviron I am not that experienced to understand any gains that came from it, except of increased libido.

-Suggestion:
I have one month left of test + proviron. I have pct in place also. Do you think it would be beneficial to add S4 for the last month or because of diminishing returns-saturated receptors-already 8 weeks in another oral I should leave if for my cutting cycle?
Also how many days after last test E pin I have to wait to start pct?

Thanks
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4 weeks of s4 is pointless.. you start pct two weeks after your last injection.. the last FOUR weeks of your cycle, you want to use my new POST CT product which completely replaces hcg... here is the link... https://www.dganutrition.com/post-ct
 
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