Hi all guys.My name is Nick im new to this forum and iam planning my first cycle ever.Im 22 years old and i have been lifting seriously for about 2 years now,i am 1.73m and 78kg,i guess somewhere between 13-14% bf.i was thinking of 40mg dbol ed and 50mg proviron for 6 weeks.should i run another Ai in the cycle like arimidex?or proviron is just fine?secondly what supplement for liver care do you suggest?N2guard is not available in my country.Liv 52 will do the work?as fas as pct is concerned im gonna use nolva and probably DAA.
First Cycle.D-bol proviron
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r2truth
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Welcome to the forum bro, u should get ur bf a little lower to prevent any unwanted sides and tbh u can still make plenty of gains at ur age but if have made up ur mind, best first cycle is always test only with aromasin and basic pct protocol, hcg can be added to help recovery, cycle support is also a good choice.
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r2truth
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Why not just wait I have been waiting for my cycle for months now due to an injury. If u do want a quick cycle dbol which has a very high rate of estrogen conversation is not the best idea. Maybe use sarms or provirion only,Others will probably chime in on this more.
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Bud there's no rush in this game.. It will only bring issues. Take your time, plan out a reasonable cycle, have us review, tweak, and get them gains properly
should i run test prop then for 6 weeks at 500mg?cloma and nolva for pct?
hey bro.. this is just a poor idea all the way around... you don't want to run test prop only 6 weeks... you are rushing this and making very poor decisions in the process... you realize how poor of an idea an oral only cycle is AND THEN you factor in that you have low test and you want to run an oral only, filled with sides, that will shut down you down and make you feel even worse, and not only is your piece very poor but you have no test involved in the process... you are setting yourself for a very rough time by doing what your doing... this is a marathon, not a sprint... your cycle selection, reasoning and timing is very poor and this has disaster written all over it... take a deep breath, SLOW DOWN, take a step back and do all of this the right way or do it your way and ensure yourself nothing but problems and issues... we can help you do this right, in the right order and pace, with the right implementation... i have far better recommendations for you... you are very young at 22 to even be thinking about doing steroids bro... your body is still developing and you have only been in the gym 2 years... thats nothing for experience nor allowing yourself to go through different types of natural growth... i can recommend non steroid enhancement for you but that is up to you...
thanks Dylan for your answer.i will reconsider my options here and i will do whats best for me and my health.what do you suggest then with the term "non steroid enhacement'?
I know you are anxious to make maximum gains but the guys here are looking out for you. Decisions you make now can have long term effects so it's important you have the right protocol for now and the future. Dylan can layout a safe and effective program for you that will help you meet your goals. Good luck and be safe.
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What Dylan is getting at, is you need to look at doing a sarms stack at this point and stay away from the steroids. That really is the best idea for your age, stats, and current experience level. They are an excellent way to introduce yourself into the world of anabolics with steroid like results without the shutdown and side effects of steroids. They help gain considerable lean mass and strength while dropping bodyfat, increasing hardness and vascualrity and endurance with the right diet.
The sarms super stack would be the most ideal option that covers you the best and gives the best results. Check out articles on sarms and purchase them from www.pureessencesarms.com
There is also a huge sale at pure essence right now that could save you big time
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
PCT
clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
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bodean30
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The guys nailed it. Perfect answers as usual.
Orals should only be used as add-ons to an injectable cycle like test enanthate or test cypionate. Orals will only shut you down hard and not give you any kind of keepable gains. Dbol is the worst for this.
As Rick laid out for you, start with a sarms stack before getting into full-blown AAS. Sarms offer close to the same gains yet have hardly any of the side effects like HPTA shutdown, hair loss, acne, water retention, gyno, etc. Sarms are still slightly suppressive so make sure to run the PCT Rick suggested.
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Orals should only be used as add-ons to an injectable cycle like test enanthate or test cypionate. Orals will only shut you down hard and not give you any kind of keepable gains. Dbol is the worst for this.
As Rick laid out for you, start with a sarms stack before getting into full-blown AAS. Sarms offer close to the same gains yet have hardly any of the side effects like HPTA shutdown, hair loss, acne, water retention, gyno, etc. Sarms are still slightly suppressive so make sure to run the PCT Rick suggested.
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Dbol is by no means a beginner oral whatsoever when it comes to retaining mass acquisition, estrogen control and minimizing water retention. This is why people believe that dbol only bloats you with water retention and there are no muscle gains when its the furthest thing from the truth. Especially if it's ran as an only AAS without a test base, extremely difficult next level difficult.
SpikedEggnog
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400 is fine man, everyone is different when it comes to this trust me dont worry about that scale. you can try to run some DAA and creatine.
at your age and with only 2 years under your belt, steroids are not the best option for you right now. plus you need to learn more about AAS, there is a lot to learn, and you said "another AI" after speaking of proviron, which leads me to believe you think provi is an AI. provi is NOT an ai whatsoever it is an oral steroid. it may help control estro a little BUT it wont completely kill estro like an AI. Aromasin is an AI.
also DG will set you up with another option called SARMS.
i personally think learning about your diet and macros and supplementing some DAA and creatine will be the best next step for you.
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