First Complex Cycle - Feedback Appreciated - Trest/Tren/GH secretagogue/PPAR

[L_G_P_P]

Background. Currently middle-aged. Athletic build - have always had trouble putting on mass. 6-0 183lb. I have run a few cycles over last decade but all PH and no IM or pins
and the cycles were the only time i really put on significant weight.

I was sick 9 months ago and lost a lot of musle mass and strength. I ran a mixed bag of low dose secretaogues and SARM sin the spring of this year and that was helpful getting back into the swing. My goal is to take it up a notch and clone the results I had a few years ago (2016) ... Any feedback appreciated.




Last Cycle: 2016: This was a black bottle called "Super Tren Extreme" ... I had amazing gains and was very lean using this formula (below)

- 7-alpha-methyl estrene-3 17 dione - 2mg x2 (Trest aka MENT)

- Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione - 10 mg x2 (Trenevar)


Total run = Cycle / PCT / Post PCT PPAR = ~14 weeks


Cycle: run 6 weeks

TD Trestalone
- Increase Mass / Libido/ Strength
- 25mg/day
- run first 42 days


TD Trenevar aka Trendione/TVAR
- Increase Mass/Strength/Fat loss
- 40mg/day
- run first 42 days


Exemestane aka Aromasin
-Increase Size/Reduce Estrogen
- 12.5mg/day
- run first 42 days


TUDCA aka ___
- Liver Projection
- 500mg/day
- run first 42 days



Secretagogue on Cycle and beyond:

MK-667 aka Ibutamoren Increase GH levels.
- Increase Muscle, increase sleep quality
- 10mg/day run 8 wks





PCT: run 4 weeks

Toremifene Citrate aka Torem
- SERM/Test Recovery
- Tiered – 4 weeks // run for 30 days

- Toremifene Citrate – 25 days total
- 120 mg for 4 days
- 90 mg for 7days
- 60 mg for 7 days
- 30 mg for 7 days




PPAR Bridge:
- run 8 weeks at the end of project
- increase energy to help maintain gains post cycle


GW-501516 aka Caradine
- Increase Energy/Reduce Fat/Increase Recovery
- 10-20mg/day start on 2nd week PCT (will use 10)

SR-9009 aka Stenabolic
- Increase Mitochondrial activity/Increase Energy
- 20-30 mg/day start on 2nd week PCT (will use 20)

 

[DylanGemelli]

im certainly not recommending you to run orals without test and especially not prohormones, which i cannot understand anyone even using... thats your call on what you decide... i personally wont recommend anything of the sort...

 

[L_G_P_P]

im certainly not recommending you to run orals without test and especially not prohormones, which i cannot understand anyone even using... thats your call on what you decide... i personally wont recommend anything of the sort...

ok - good to know. thats why i am here

 

[Specimen]

never used ph and never will. Look into running a test only cycle if you want to take it up a notch

 

[L_G_P_P]

never used ph and never will. Look into running a test only cycle if you want to take it up a notch

thanks

what - in your opinion - is the best test-based beginner cycle?

 

[Jswole79]

Typically 350mg per week. Cyp or enanthate for a beginner. Less injections per week and less painful.

 

[Jswole79]

You'll want aromasin to control estrogen conversion as well. You didn't mention it but maybe you have but you might want to get blood work done prior to make sure your hormones are in a your starting point,

 

[L_G_P_P]

You'll want aromasin to control estrogen conversion as well. You didn't mention it but maybe you have but you might want to get blood work done prior to make sure your hormones are in a your starting point,

i have seen a few diff tests that tests a few diff things (in terms of what hormones, what "subsets" of each hormone, thyroid levels, and lipids / liver values ... anything in particular that should be covered or omitted?

 

[Jswole79]

https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/female-hormone-testing.php

 

[DylanGemelli]

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
11-14 dga post ct https://www.dganutrition.com/product/post-ct/

pct 15-20

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.





clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[L_G_P_P]

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
11-14 dga post ct https://www.dganutrition.com/product/post-ct/

pct 15-20

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.





clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

good info.. thankd for the feedback

is androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-dione a good option for cortisol control? - during and after cycle?

 

[DylanGemelli]

good info.. thankd for the feedback

is androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-dione a good option for cortisol control? - during and after cycle?

not really bro, not worth it

 

[L_G_P_P]

good to know

a lot of misinformation out there