Estrogen Control Advice Needed

[Runner86]

So I have been running a test only cycle for the last 13 weeks, dosing at 500mg a week (2 injections). I have had blood work done twice now. The first time my estradiol came up at 61.0 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL). So I thought my AI was bunk. So I went about getting a new one from a trusted source here on the forums. I was dosing the aromasin at 12.5 EOD. Did this for over a month. Got the estradiol checked this week and this time it came up at 79.2 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL). Now I understand that the testosterone is building up in my system over time, which can mean more conversion to estrogen.
So, my question is, which is a better way for me to bump up the aromasin dosage. 12.5mg everyday? OR 25mg every other day?
I tried reading up on it, but I get a little confused with testosterone peak times and the half life of the aromasin. ANY feedback would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!

 

[RickRock]

Either way is fine. I'd personally just dose 12.5mg daily. Won't make a difference whichever way you go with it

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I would just go with 12.5 ED but it wont make a huge difference. I am glad to see someone getting proper blood work done during a cycle to control estrogen. Great job man.

 

[DylanGemelli]

good job staying on top of it but you may want to lower your test dose .. a lot of times the test you are using is overdosed to begin with which is quite common and you may be getting more than 500 mg per week and if not, its clear you are extremely estrogen sensitive and you have to accommodate your body so you can try to go every day with aromasin but i would consider lowering your test

 

[Runner86]

The first time I had my blood work done, when my estradiol was 61.0, my test was 2800. Would you say that the ratio was crazy off? Obviously the estrogen is not where I would want it. But ive seen some people blood work on here and their estradiol is in the 300s. Just wondering...

 

[doc44]

I just don't understand these (IMO) high test dosages.

Fact is you only need enough test to keep your dick working. That is why we have test . it is the sex hormone.

There are far more effective AAS compounds for anabolic effect.

Test is for the dick. Other compounds like tren, deca, EQ are for the muscles.


Even as a first cycle I am in agreement with the test only mantra. But why 500 why not 200 or so?

Show me a study that demonstrates more muscle hypertrophy on 500 vs 200. Higher test will get you a couple of things such as elevated E2, gyno, bloat etc. You want muscle think compounds other than test.

I am not advocating a gram of tren and 20 of Dbol. I am advocating sane dosages of AAS other than test. Keep test at TRT for erectile function and avoid side effects !!!

 

[cbbram00]

12.5mg eod is just the recommended dosage everyone should start with. You did a good job getting bloodwork now you know that you need more than the average dosage of Aromasin. That's fine everyone is different I tend to need more than the average dose myself.

 

[Jswole79]

I just don't understand these (IMO) high test dosages.

Fact is you only need enough test to keep your dick working. That is why we have test . it is the sex hormone.

There are far more effective AAS compounds for anabolic effect.

Test is for the dick. Other compounds like tren, deca, EQ are for the muscles.


Even as a first cycle I am in agreement with the test only mantra. But why 500 why not 200 or so?

Show me a study that demonstrates more muscle hypertrophy on 500 vs 200. Higher test will get you a couple of things such as elevated E2, gyno, bloat etc. You want muscle think compounds other than test.

I am not advocating a gram of tren and 20 of Dbol. I am advocating sane dosages of AAS other than test. Keep test at TRT for erectile function and avoid side effects !!!

I actually had a conversation with an older guy, 56. Hes been a competitive powerlifter for years and cycles twice per year. He said that exact thing. I'm guessing every body runs it the way that works for them but his basis was test at a trt dose and let the others do their job and you won't have issues with estrogen and in turn you won't have issues with prolactin. Not sure if there's science behind his logic or bro science but thought it was interesting you share the same thought. I haven't heard that other than him.

 

[DylanGemelli]

I just don't understand these (IMO) high test dosages.

Fact is you only need enough test to keep your dick working. That is why we have test . it is the sex hormone.

There are far more effective AAS compounds for anabolic effect.

Test is for the dick. Other compounds like tren, deca, EQ are for the muscles.


Even as a first cycle I am in agreement with the test only mantra. But why 500 why not 200 or so?

Show me a study that demonstrates more muscle hypertrophy on 500 vs 200. Higher test will get you a couple of things such as elevated E2, gyno, bloat etc. You want muscle think compounds other than test.

I am not advocating a gram of tren and 20 of Dbol. I am advocating sane dosages of AAS other than test. Keep test at TRT for erectile function and avoid side effects !!!

i completely agree a hundred percent with this... i have never understood the higher test dosages, even at 500 mg to be honest but ive taken a lot of shit about being too moderate on my test recommendations yet then we also see more bull shit side effects running it too high for most... i have always believed in test being the back bone but letting other compounds shine...

 

[doc44]

I actually had a conversation with an older guy, 56. Hes been a competitive powerlifter for years and cycles twice per year. He said that exact thing. I'm guessing every body runs it the way that works for them but his basis was test at a trt dose and let the others do their job and you won't have issues with estrogen and in turn you won't have issues with prolactin. Not sure if there's science behind his logic or bro science but thought it was interesting you share the same thought. I haven't heard that other than him.

Bingo. The so called "deca dick' is likely a prolactin issue. Guys think that the test dosage must be equal or greater than the deca dosage (more bro science).

So they pin say 400-500 of deca and the forums told them they would therefore need at least 400-500 of test. In their mind they think I'll just round it up to 600 and now the problems begin.

High prolactin, E2, bloat, emotional swings, acne etc.

On top of that the dick is limp.

"Oh, must be that deca dick" they lower the deca and raise the test to 800 !! Why? Well I have to make up for the lowered Deca so I'll raise the test.

Be careful. These are very powerful hormones and you can quickly get in a world of shit.

WTF.

Again think of test as the "dick hormone".

200/wk will likely be enough for good wood.

If you had a headache would you take 2 tylenol or take 10 to get rid of the headache faster?

There is your analogy. If 200 of test is good for erections why take 600,800 etc.

Test is for the dick. Other compounds for anabolism. I cannot be any clearer.

As Dylan said test is a base and let the other compounds shine !!!

FWIW: Consider liquid Cialis to aid in erections. I'm sure you have sources here on ISARMS.I don't want to discuss sources but will say I much prefer liquid to tabs !!!

Take your low dose test and add in say 15-20 mg of liquid Cialis. Your woman will be using your johnson as a pull up bar.

That's all i got.

 

[RickRock]

I just don't understand these (IMO) high test dosages.

Fact is you only need enough test to keep your dick working. That is why we have test . it is the sex hormone.

There are far more effective AAS compounds for anabolic effect.

Test is for the dick. Other compounds like tren, deca, EQ are for the muscles.


Even as a first cycle I am in agreement with the test only mantra. But why 500 why not 200 or so?

Show me a study that demonstrates more muscle hypertrophy on 500 vs 200. Higher test will get you a couple of things such as elevated E2, gyno, bloat etc. You want muscle think compounds other than test.

I am not advocating a gram of tren and 20 of Dbol. I am advocating sane dosages of AAS other than test. Keep test at TRT for erectile function and avoid side effects !!!

I've always been a guy that's loved higher test, but I can certainly agree with everything you said for the most part. I've ran up to a gram of test, and honestly haven't seen that much additional benefit (even though I have very low estrogen sensitivity and respond favorably to high doses of aromatizing compounds). It's all been trial and error with my own experiences, but my next cycle goes against the grain of my typical cycle plans with lowered test doses and higher doses of mild, but effective and responsible compounds and doses.

I always appreciate your input bro, and it's obvious that you have a lot of good knowledge to share. You're an asset to tgis forum and I thank you for that

 

[Dangans]

I believe lower test is the way to go if you are combining compounds I think you should let your your adding compounds shine. I use to go 600 test when blasting now the highest I go is 400 test and what a world of difference on the easing of side effects. To much test with deca for example is like trying to fit 2 cars in a one spot in a packed parking garage.


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[DylanGemelli]

ive always been an advocate of lower test... ive often taken verbal beatings over that calling my test doses those of a pussy but there was a reason i recommend them lower... its not to be a pussy, its to control fucking side effects... to get more out of your cycle etc... there's no reason to run test crazy high.. most people will find when they do not, they just deal with more issues along the way and dont see any added benefit... of course there are exceptions to everything, thats just the way life is but IN GENERAL, most will find its more of an issue than help

 

[doc44]

Dylan has a damn good point more is not always better