EQ vs TREN ?? WTF

[drb_iac]

So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

 

[DylanGemelli]

So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

These are huge discrepancies on what is normally seen with tren use... There are SO MANY studies out there that it seems were specifically manipulated to meet the desired result of the tester as opposed to using the research time in the proper method it should be intended... this is why i always tell everyone that for every study you find there is generally a counter study etc... it makes it very hard to develop any sort of trust as well as proper procedure and protocol for so many avenues and it is absurd.. Studies are for trying and testing, yes, but to just make them to come with an end result that is your favor as opposed to something useful and helpful is just flat out wrong and its what's wrong with so many areas of science and testing in general...

 

[SpikedEggnog]

So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

These are huge discrepancies on what is normally seen with tren use... There are SO MANY studies out there that it seems were specifically manipulated to meet the desired result of the tester as opposed to using the research time in the proper method it should be intended... this is why i always tell everyone that for every study you find there is generally a counter study etc... it makes it very hard to develop any sort of trust as well as proper procedure and protocol for so many avenues and it is absurd.. Studies are for trying and testing, yes, but to just make them to come with an end result that is your favor as opposed to something useful and helpful is just flat out wrong and its what's wrong with so many areas of science and testing in general...

dude no doubt, that is why in the end, after you do all the research in the world, it comes down to you and you only - we are basically guinea pigs..we can try to do stuff safe and proper but we still might encounter problems its the nature of the beast, that's why starting low and working your way up seems so smart to me..

 

[DylanGemelli]

So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

These are huge discrepancies on what is normally seen with tren use... There are SO MANY studies out there that it seems were specifically manipulated to meet the desired result of the tester as opposed to using the research time in the proper method it should be intended... this is why i always tell everyone that for every study you find there is generally a counter study etc... it makes it very hard to develop any sort of trust as well as proper procedure and protocol for so many avenues and it is absurd.. Studies are for trying and testing, yes, but to just make them to come with an end result that is your favor as opposed to something useful and helpful is just flat out wrong and its what's wrong with so many areas of science and testing in general...

dude no doubt, that is why in the end, after you do all the research in the world, it comes down to you and you only - we are basically guinea pigs..we can try to do stuff safe and proper but we still might encounter problems its the nature of the beast, that's why starting low and working your way up seems so smart to me..

i agree and im all about an aggressive approach in the most conservative manner... there is definitely a way to do this but too many don't grasp that concept...

 

[drb_iac]

So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

These are huge discrepancies on what is normally seen with tren use... There are SO MANY studies out there that it seems were specifically manipulated to meet the desired result of the tester as opposed to using the research time in the proper method it should be intended... this is why i always tell everyone that for every study you find there is generally a counter study etc... it makes it very hard to develop any sort of trust as well as proper procedure and protocol for so many avenues and it is absurd.. Studies are for trying and testing, yes, but to just make them to come with an end result that is your favor as opposed to something useful and helpful is just flat out wrong and its what's wrong with so many areas of science and testing in general...

dude no doubt, that is why in the end, after you do all the research in the world, it comes down to you and you only - we are basically guinea pigs..we can try to do stuff safe and proper but we still might encounter problems its the nature of the beast, that's why starting low and working your way up seems so smart to me..

i agree and im all about an aggressive approach in the most conservative manner... there is definitely a way to do this but too many don't grasp that concept...

Yes D- It is called seeing the light for yourself. This all can be done in a positve way. The positive way takes some study time. Read, learn and do not listen to bros at the gym... EVOLVE away from the bros at the gym. I never ever posted on boards before, but when I stumbled on to this one I just started writing. It felt good, like I was releasing shit from 40 years ago. If you do this right you can live a long healthy life with strength, power of mind and spirit, and a body willing to do whatever you want it to do. My wish would be that any young person ready to consider starting aas join this board and listen. We can guide you thru the maze. We take on all myths!!!

 

[RickRock]

[quote="drb_iac":35963ywh]So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

These are huge discrepancies on what is normally seen with tren use... There are SO MANY studies out there that it seems were specifically manipulated to meet the desired result of the tester as opposed to using the research time in the proper method it should be intended... this is why i always tell everyone that for every study you find there is generally a counter study etc... it makes it very hard to develop any sort of trust as well as proper procedure and protocol for so many avenues and it is absurd.. Studies are for trying and testing, yes, but to just make them to come with an end result that is your favor as opposed to something useful and helpful is just flat out wrong and its what's wrong with so many areas of science and testing in general...

dude no doubt, that is why in the end, after you do all the research in the world, it comes down to you and you only - we are basically guinea pigs..we can try to do stuff safe and proper but we still might encounter problems its the nature of the beast, that's why starting low and working your way up seems so smart to me..

i agree and im all about an aggressive approach in the most conservative manner... there is definitely a way to do this but too many don't grasp that concept...

Yes D- It is called seeing the light for yourself. This all can be done in a positve way. The positive way takes some study time. Read, learn and do not listen to bros at the gym... EVOLVE away from the bros at the gym. I never ever posted on boards before, but when I stumbled on to this one I just started writing. It felt good, like I was releasing shit from 40 years ago. If you do this right you can live a long healthy life with strength, power of mind and spirit, and a body willing to do whatever you want it to do. My wish would be that any young person ready to consider starting aas join this board and listen. We can guide you thru the maze. We take on all myths!!![/quote:35963ywh]


Very well said! It's all about acquiring the knowledge and information to make informed educated decisions to do things the right way, along with learning your own body and how you respond as an individual to things. This all takes time to do safely and correctly in order to stay healthy and maintain longevity in this lifestyle. That's why I encourage anyone (especially the younger inexperienced guys) to take in as much as you can to learn as much as you can. There's no better place to do that than right here at AR!

 

[drb_iac]

[quote="drb_iac":3kuloy04]So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

These are huge discrepancies on what is normally seen with tren use... There are SO MANY studies out there that it seems were specifically manipulated to meet the desired result of the tester as opposed to using the research time in the proper method it should be intended... this is why i always tell everyone that for every study you find there is generally a counter study etc... it makes it very hard to develop any sort of trust as well as proper procedure and protocol for so many avenues and it is absurd.. Studies are for trying and testing, yes, but to just make them to come with an end result that is your favor as opposed to something useful and helpful is just flat out wrong and its what's wrong with so many areas of science and testing in general...

dude no doubt, that is why in the end, after you do all the research in the world, it comes down to you and you only - we are basically guinea pigs..we can try to do stuff safe and proper but we still might encounter problems its the nature of the beast, that's why starting low and working your way up seems so smart to me..

i agree and im all about an aggressive approach in the most conservative manner... there is definitely a way to do this but too many don't grasp that concept...

Yes D- It is called seeing the light for yourself. This all can be done in a positve way. The positive way takes some study time. Read, learn and do not listen to bros at the gym... EVOLVE away from the bros at the gym. I never ever posted on boards before, but when I stumbled on to this one I just started writing. It felt good, like I was releasing shit from 40 years ago. If you do this right you can live a long healthy life with strength, power of mind and spirit, and a body willing to do whatever you want it to do. My wish would be that any young person ready to consider starting aas join this board and listen. We can guide you thru the maze. We take on all myths!!!

Very well said! It's all about acquiring the knowledge and information to make informed educated decisions to do things the right way, along with learning your own body and how you respond as an individual to things. This all takes time to do safely and correctly in order to stay healthy and maintain longevity in this lifestyle. That's why I encourage anyone (especially the younger inexperienced guys) to take in as much as you can to learn as much as you can. There's no better place to do that than right here at AR![/quote:3kuloy04]

I have to agree. My wish would be for all young uns to post here b4 starting gear. I have not seen many of Dylan's videos but the ones I did see were good. It appears that a lot of people come here because they saw these dylan vids. How about a vid on why it is important to come here b4 you do anything...anything at all?

 

[drb_iac]

I finally got around to this eq paper and they found all kinds of problems in the injected rabiits. They used a normal does of eq and in 6 weeks gave them TWO normal sized injections. Low and behold those two injections messed up every organ in their bodies. My final opionion of these two parers is that they are not even as good as bro science!

 

[DylanGemelli]

[quote="drb_iac"31wyhje]

[quote="drb_iac"31wyhje]So I read the entire tren study and besides the high doses there are few other discrepancies. First the control group gained 35% fat. Ok so lets say the study added calories to the diet. The tren group lost 37% fat. I am assuming both groups got the same diet. So really 34 + 37 = 71% fat loss for the tren group. I doubt that.
Then the bad, ldl cholesterol went down by 78%. That is hardly ever the case in humans. It is common to start at say 175 and go to 220, but not down. The good hdl also went down by 57%. That does happen in humans but would translate the value in humans to around 5. The triglycerides also went down 62%, which in humans does not happen. Most mammals have similar gene codes to humans ,however in DNA only chimps are very close. So this study used rats and then in conclusion said humans should take note.

These are huge discrepancies on what is normally seen with tren use... There are SO MANY studies out there that it seems were specifically manipulated to meet the desired result of the tester as opposed to using the research time in the proper method it should be intended... this is why i always tell everyone that for every study you find there is generally a counter study etc... it makes it very hard to develop any sort of trust as well as proper procedure and protocol for so many avenues and it is absurd.. Studies are for trying and testing, yes, but to just make them to come with an end result that is your favor as opposed to something useful and helpful is just flat out wrong and its what's wrong with so many areas of science and testing in general...

dude no doubt, that is why in the end, after you do all the research in the world, it comes down to you and you only - we are basically guinea pigs..we can try to do stuff safe and proper but we still might encounter problems its the nature of the beast, that's why starting low and working your way up seems so smart to me..

i agree and im all about an aggressive approach in the most conservative manner... there is definitely a way to do this but too many don't grasp that concept...

Yes D- It is called seeing the light for yourself. This all can be done in a positve way. The positive way takes some study time. Read, learn and do not listen to bros at the gym... EVOLVE away from the bros at the gym. I never ever posted on boards before, but when I stumbled on to this one I just started writing. It felt good, like I was releasing shit from 40 years ago. If you do this right you can live a long healthy life with strength, power of mind and spirit, and a body willing to do whatever you want it to do. My wish would be that any young person ready to consider starting aas join this board and listen. We can guide you thru the maze. We take on all myths!!!

Very well said! It's all about acquiring the knowledge and information to make informed educated decisions to do things the right way, along with learning your own body and how you respond as an individual to things. This all takes time to do safely and correctly in order to stay healthy and maintain longevity in this lifestyle. That's why I encourage anyone (especially the younger inexperienced guys) to take in as much as you can to learn as much as you can. There's no better place to do that than right here at AR![/quote31wyhje]

I have to agree. My wish would be for all young uns to post here b4 starting gear. I have not seen many of Dylan's videos but the ones I did see were good. It appears that a lot of people come here because they saw these dylan vids. How about a vid on why it is important to come here b4 you do anything...anything at all?[/quote31wyhje]

i will definitely put that on my list... that's a good idea...

 

[JackSteel]

One of the puzzling things here is why use rats and rabbits when there are millions of men AND women to study? They could do an 8-12 week cycle and do ultrasounds and blood work every week and then have a real study instead of saying how a rabbit reacts is how a human reacts. You know we say all the time that aas effect different people in different ways...so how do you then jump to what happens in rabbits also happens in humans?

Because the drugs are not for humans and classified class 3, it would be considered illegal. We don't heroine or cocaine studies like this either.

Yeah, the government not until recently allowed a small group of scientists to conduct studies on weed even. And that's not talking about testing it on humans, that's to experiment with it at all. They're scared shitless of weed because of how wonderful it is as medicine, but I digress. It's just squirly nonsense.


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[TX TERROR]

Well neither are gonna make you healthier. Lol chances are the individual who does not use eq or tren will be healthier than the person who does.

"Health" is such a relative term too. Like what one truly defines as health is early the same as someone else's version.... I look at eq and tren not being available for medical use in humans and think, hmmmmm.... there is most likely a reason for that... Probably not good if I use it anyway.



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[TX TERROR]

It comes down to what you feel is acceptable.
For example... I know the dangers I know the risk. I however believe my tren use is for now acceptable.

Healthy? God no. Acceptable? Yes!

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[rockmfhudd]

I would bet money that the gov't funded millions if not billions to this study so they can continue to tell people how bad gear is. They don't want to admit that it can and will help people!! IF used responsibly.