Doing a FULL blood workup, testing EVERYTHING relevant...please help.

[chelades]

Need more info here.

First cycle or not?

Naturally low test or not?

Age?

Why exactly are you using 800mg of test a week?

Why exactly are you dosing such a long ester so often?

Why exactly did you test after only 10 days, instead of weeks away (at least mid cycle week 5 or 6ish) for the blood levels to saturate and stabilize?

Did they give you that ng/dl conversion? My calculations put that Nmol at 1675ng/dl

 

[mrolson]

Need more info here.

First cycle or not?

Naturally low test or not?

Age?

Why exactly are you using 800mg of test a week?

Why exactly are you dosing such a long ester so often?

Why exactly did you test after only 10 days, instead of weeks away (at least mid cycle week 5 or 6ish) for the blood levels to saturate and stabilize?

Did they give you that ng/dl conversion? My calculations put that Nmol at 1675ng/dl

Hi!

More info will come, no worries. I just have not received all the test results yet. To make a long story short (AND PLEASE HOLD OFF ON THE JUDGEMENTS), I had naturally "normal" testosterone levels 16Nmol/L. This was 3 years ago. I got the brilliant idea that I wanted to be on juice legally, i.e. TRT. 16 is too high to get a doc to prescribe TRT (in Sweden you need less than 10 and all the symptoms of low T, depending a little on the doctor). So I complained about all the classic low T symptoms and got a time for a bloodtest. The day before the test I spent the whole day walking about 40 miles, totally exhausting myself, did not sleep all night and drank 3ccl of vodka every 1 hours during the whole night. My tests came back at 9 nmol/L and voila, I got nebido prescribed, which was not as cool as I thought it would be.

Anyways did a normal nebido "cycle" at 1000mg every 8 weeks, I dont know if I have gained anything from this. Probably not. The good thing though is that I dont need a PCT and that if the police wants me to do a pisstest during a razzia, I can shove my nebido prescription in their faces.

About 6 months ago I moved to China and decided to start doing some "real testo". The problem? Finding reliable sources. I started off at 500mg t-enh e5d and kept doing that for about 2-3 months. Did not feel much but I got some gains, the brand was "Meditech Pharma". Then I felt like I wanted to add something to it, so the smart guy who sold me the testo told me to add masteron to the mix, 100mg e2d. Dont know if I got much from that either. The masteron was also meditech btw. I spent about 2 more months on that, made some gains, nothing spectacular. Not any improved libido, no increased aggression, no feeling godlike in the gym. I am pretty sure I have been duped.

So, about a month about I found another supplier who only sells testo. He sells two kinds: 200mg/ml cypionate that he supposedly gets directly from a factory making testosterone for medical use, fairly cheap at 65$ for 10ml. The other kind he just calls "the netherland stuff", its imported (from the netherlands I assume) and supposed to be a mix of 3 different esters, 250mg/ml, but its expensive, 155$ for 10 ml.
So I bought 10 ml of the cheap stuff, I have been trying it for 10 days or so.

The only way to know if its real of not is to do a bloodtest, so thats what I did today.

I used another conversion tool and got 1642ng/dl Still not very high though, was hoping for more that double with the dosage I am using.

I am using such "high" dosage because I want to FEEL it. I am sick and tired of using watered out bullshit gear.

What is your advice. Do you think I stick with the cypionate for a few weeks and redo the test?

 

[mrolson]

Here is all the bloodwork so far (beware, wall of text...) Will do prettier version later

Hormone stuff

Prolactin: 16.34
Follicle-stimulating hormone 0.82
luteotropic hormone 0.41
Estradiol 84.00
Testosterone >57.56


Blood stuff


White blood cell count 12.69 （had a bit of a sore throat）
Red blood cell count (bRBC) 5.22
Hemoglobin 154
Red blood platelet count 246
hct hematocrit 0.466
mean corpuscular volume, 89.3
MCH.-mean corpuscular hemoglobin 330
mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration 29.6
red cell volume distribution width RDW-CV 0.15
red cell volume distribution width SD 47.3
lymphocyte percentage 16.5
neutrophil granulocyte ratio 66.9
hyaline leukocyte 12.8
eosinophil granulocyte percentage 3.7
basophilic cell; basophilic granulocyte 0.010
pct plateletocrit 0,025
mean platelet volume, mpv 10.1
Platelet volume distribution width 11.0
platelet large cell ratio(P-LCT) 24.3
Reticulocyte ratio, 1.31
reticulocyte 68.4
immature reticulocyte fraction (irf) 11.8 **
low fluores-cent reticulocyte 88.2
middle fluorescent reticulocyte 10
high fluorescent reticulocyte 1.8
triiodothyronine rT3 0.97
tetra iodothyronine t4 58.5
TPOAb <28
TgAb; thyroglobulin antibody; <15.0
TPSA; 0.47
f-PSA 0.116
free psa; 0.28501


AST/ GOT 54
GPT、ALT 42
TBIL; 8.5
DBil; 1.8
I-BIL; 6.7
y-GT/ GGTP; 19
ALP; alkaline phosphatase; 88
serum potassium; 4.01
serum sodium; 135.8
serum chloride; 101.6
calcium serum; 2.24
serum phosphorus; 1.01
serum magnesium; 0.89
cystatin; CysC; 0.89
urea; BUN; 9.3
carbon dioxide; 24
creatinine; 124
Ua; uric; Urea; 352
glu; Glc; FDG; 4.6
B hydroxybutyric acid 0.55
chol; cho; TCHO; 4.68
tg; trig; TC; 1.05
hdl; HDLC; hdl-cholesterol; 0.9
LDL-C; ldl; ldlc; 3.12
human apo-A1 0.94
Apo-B; apob; apolipoprotein; 1.02
pa; PAb; PALB; 0.26
TP; TPO; T PROT; 72.1
AlB; bsa; HAS; 42.2
GLO; GLB; Glob; 29.9
Glob/ AlB 1.411137
TBA; L TBA; 2.2
cpk; 1268 !!!!! (26-174)
LDH; LD; LDH-L; 231
ck-mb; CKMB; ck-mm; 17
Hs-CRP 85.71
CHE; ACHE; CH E; 5134
Amino acid amide 36.9
α-L alpha-l-fucosidase (AFU) 22
LPS; LIP; lipa; 37
AMS; AMY; Samy; 40
FE; Iron; 4.9

 

[rockmfhudd]

first thing that jumps out at me is your estradiol is high af you need to get an AI going on aromasin

 

[chelades]

Hi!

More info will come, no worries. I just have not received all the test results yet. To make a long story short (AND PLEASE HOLD OFF ON THE JUDGEMENTS), I had naturally "normal" testosterone levels 16Nmol/L. This was 3 years ago. I got the brilliant idea that I wanted to be on juice legally, i.e. TRT. 16 is too high to get a doc to prescribe TRT (in Sweden you need less than 10 and all the symptoms of low T, depending a little on the doctor). So I complained about all the classic low T symptoms and got a time for a bloodtest. The day before the test I spent the whole day walking about 40 miles, totally exhausting myself, did not sleep all night and drank 3ccl of vodka every 1 hours during the whole night. My tests came back at 9 nmol/L and voila, I got nebido prescribed, which was not as cool as I thought it would be.

Anyways did a normal nebido "cycle" at 1000mg every 8 weeks, I dont know if I have gained anything from this. Probably not. The good thing though is that I dont need a PCT and that if the police wants me to do a pisstest during a razzia, I can shove my nebido prescription in their faces.

About 6 months ago I moved to China and decided to start doing some "real testo". The problem? Finding reliable sources. I started off at 500mg t-enh e5d and kept doing that for about 2-3 months. Did not feel much but I got some gains, the brand was "Meditech Pharma". Then I felt like I wanted to add something to it, so the smart guy who sold me the testo told me to add masteron to the mix, 100mg e2d. Dont know if I got much from that either. The masteron was also meditech btw. I spent about 2 more months on that, made some gains, nothing spectacular. Not any improved libido, no increased aggression, no feeling godlike in the gym. I am pretty sure I have been duped.

So, about a month about I found another supplier who only sells testo. He sells two kinds: 200mg/ml cypionate that he supposedly gets directly from a factory making testosterone for medical use, fairly cheap at 65$ for 10ml. The other kind he just calls "the netherland stuff", its imported (from the netherlands I assume) and supposed to be a mix of 3 different esters, 250mg/ml, but its expensive, 155$ for 10 ml.
So I bought 10 ml of the cheap stuff, I have been trying it for 10 days or so.

The only way to know if its real of not is to do a bloodtest, so thats what I did today.

I used another conversion tool and got 1642ng/dl Still not very high though, was hoping for more that double with the dosage I am using.

I am using such "high" dosage because I want to FEEL it. I am sick and tired of using watered out bullshit gear.

What is your advice. Do you think I stick with the cypionate for a few weeks and redo the test?

This raises more questions, and a lot of it doesn't make sense.

Do you know what Nebido is? It is Testosterone Undecanoate which is not only very rare, but one of or if not the longest ester available. The half life is nearly a month. It is so long that you're only meant to inject it a handful of times A YEAR. You'd barely begin to start feeling that until that 8 weeks is up if you're lucky. Probably more like 16 weeks.

What kind of doctor prescribes a gram of test, of a 25 day half-life ester, to be injected weekly? This makes absolutely zero sense. And who says you don't need a PCT? Unless you were doing it constantly, as soon as you stop your body will be in shut down mode.

RE: Masteron etc. If you're having trouble with one steroid, DO NOT add another. That was not wise at all.

Even with this Cyp, you're going about it all wrong. My advice would be to stop taking anything, get onto a solid PCT regimen and actually see where your natural base line functioning is at. You're being reckless and risking permanent damage to your endocrine system.

first thing that jumps out at me is your estradiol is high af you need to get an AI going on aromasin

Depends what measurement/range it's in. Locally, that's bang on where it should be (25 - 30 converted). I believe that high a unit measurement suggests anything <160. Same as <70 for the former, right on half-way.

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Post pics is that fre test or total test my free test is higher than that on 500 mg enth weekly your total test on 800 mg should be at least 6000 ng if your lh and fsh is suppressed and estradial is high so your on real gear its either very underdosed or your looking at free testosterone not total

 

[Gymjunkie38]

That high estradial tells me your test is higher than that you have too be looking at free not total also you should keep estrogen around 20 to 40 your at 80 get some aromisin before you grow boobs bro seriosly

 

[rockmfhudd]

This raises more questions, and a lot of it doesn't make sense.

Do you know what Nebido is? It is Testosterone Undecanoate which is not only very rare, but one of or if not the longest ester available. The half life is nearly a month. It is so long that you're only meant to inject it a handful of times A YEAR. You'd barely begin to start feeling that until that 8 weeks is up if you're lucky. Probably more like 16 weeks.

What kind of doctor prescribes a gram of test, of a 25 day half-life ester, to be injected weekly? This makes absolutely zero sense. And who says you don't need a PCT? Unless you were doing it constantly, as soon as you stop your body will be in shut down mode.

RE: Masteron etc. If you're having trouble with one steroid, DO NOT add another. That was not wise at all.

Even with this Cyp, you're going about it all wrong. My advice would be to stop taking anything, get onto a solid PCT regimen and actually see where your natural base line functioning is at. You're being reckless and risking permanent damage to your endocrine system.



Depends what measurement/range it's in. Locally, that's bang on where it should be (25 - 30 converted). I believe that high a unit measurement suggests anything <160. Same as <70 for the former, right on half-way.

okay well I don't know the conversions and im from Alabama so lmao

 

[chelades]

okay well I don't know the conversions and im from Alabama so lmao

LOL. Basically if it's pg/ml, Houston's got a problem.

And if it's pmol/L, it's right where it should be.

 

[Bio-Tech]

all perfect info from rockmfhudd

 

[mrolson]

What kind of doctor prescribes a gram of test, of a 25 day half-life ester, to be injected weekly? This makes absolutely zero sense. And who says you don't need a PCT? Unless you were doing it constantly, as soon as you stop your body will be in shut down mode.

But I am doing it constantly, as in TRT constantly. I have no natural baseline. Nebido is what I fall back on. F#ck my natural endocrine system, much good it did me anyways. And you dont inject Nebido weekly, I have no idea where you got that from. When doctors prescribe Nebido, they will give you one shot and another one 6 weeks later. Then they will wait 12 weeks from the second shot and see where your levels are at. If they are too low, they will adjust the time down to 10 weeks between each shots. If your level still falls to low in 10 weeks, then 8 weeks, then 6 weeks. I managed to get mine down to every 8 week.

 

[mrolson]

first thing that jumps out at me is your estradiol is high af you need to get an AI going on aromasin

The problem is that with the new technology of today, I get the info straight to my phone and I only get numbers and no units. I am fairly sure the unit is pmol/L which mean that the normal range for men is 50-200 which means that I am cool.

 

[mrolson]

To stop the madness, I did some research and found the correct units and the correct "normal levels" for the 5 hormonal items:

Prolactin: 16.34 3.46 - 19.40ng\ml
Follicle-stimulating hormone 0.82 1.42～15.2U
Luteotropic hormone 0.41 l.2-7.8U/L
Estradiol 84.00 50～200pmol/L
Testosterone >57.56 10-30nmol/L


As you can see, 3 items are out of normal range. Testo is obviously too high (duh) and Luteotropic hormone and Follicle-stimulating hormone are too low (whatever that means). The rest are completely normal.

 

[chelades]

This is why there is never any need to knee-jerk react without having all the info.

That E2 is right where it should be. Had you jumped on an AI thinking it was in the other range reference as suggested, you probably would have crashed it and felt worse.

 

[mrolson]

Thanks chelades. I will spend some time and make this list neat and more easy to read. What I am worried about it my test only being >57 (but if I remember my math correctly, ">" means "more than", right?), but should it not be a hell lot higher with me doing 700mg cypionate a week? I have only taken the cypionate for close to two weeks. Should I take it for one more month a redo the test to get a better read? The thing is that I am worried that its not the real deal

 

[chelades]

It's clearly real test. Some of your axis is shut down and your test is out of range. You're clearly getting exogenous real deal test. Stop worrying and knee-jerking around. You're on Cyp now so just stay on it. No more screwing around and adding other junk stacks and changing esters.

You're taking too much for one. Back it down to 500mg at least (250mg twice weekly, say, Monday, Thursday), wait at least 6 weeks and then test again. Stop pinning so often and get these crazy doses out of your head. More is not better, nor will you feel it quicker. Cyp is a slow acting steady ester for a reason.

In the meantime get yourself a damn AI to at least have on hand. And do a lot more reading around here. You've much to learn. You should probably start dosing an AI in around week 3 or 4 because as the test keeps rising, your E2 most likely will also.

No long ester is going to have peak blood levels after 2 weeks. Do you realize how ester chains work? Again, much study to be done. Get to it.

You're not going to be able to stay on that high a dose, so after this 'cycle' period of say 12 weeks, you'll have to lower your dose to begin cruising on a more natural in-range level. You'll do this by adjusting your dose after getting your levels checked at the 6 week mark. And then you'll wait another 6 weeks and test again to adjust accordingly.

Or, you'll have to get off and do PCT and assess where your natural levels are at as I said before, which is my recommendation.