Deca Research/Ratios

[Romes20]

Stats- 32years old, 6+ years training, 6', 198lbs, 11.2%bf

I am educating myself on Deca for down the road. Currently almost halfway through a 12 week run of 400mg Test Cyp, kicked off with Tbol and so far everything feels great and estrogen is staying under control just fine. I know Tbol is mild and I do have some Winstrol on hand, but I would like to take longer stints between oral steroids for the purposes of liver health. Hence, I am interested in possibly combining Test and Deca in a low dose like I know Dylan is so fond of. My Test is dosed at 200mg/ml and the Deca in mind (Pharmalady) is dosed at 300mg/ml. I have heard several opinions regarding the ratio between the two- that it is best to keep them the same, keep Test higher, keep Deca higher, etc...I am not interested in blowing up like a water balloon or going balls deep with a compound I am new to. So far, the simplest and safest way to do this would be-

Week 1-12 200mg Test/week (100mg twice a week)
Week 1-10 225mg Deca/week (.75ml dosed once a week)
Week 1-18 12.5mg Aromasin EOD or E3D as needed
Week 15-18 PCT (Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 50/50/25/25) -could also extend to 6 weeks?

Do you think it would be more worthwhile to add slightly higher Test by just pulling a bit extra past the .5ML line in this case, or perhaps running the full 300mg Deca with 200mg Test, or does it look about right as is? I would have Caber on hand in case sides start to show. Also, I know that Deca is more suppressive, so I would be more cautious and use HCG, though it would be my first time using it, and I am not sure if it would be best to run the entire 12 weeks or just the last few leading into PCT. Thanks for any input!

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Hey brother, some of it personal preference. Some like to run deca higher than test, some like test higher than deca, some like them equal. I like my test higher or equal than deca depending on goals. If this is your first time with it, I would say keep it conservative your first go. Here is an example layout below:

Cycle
1-12 Test C 300mg per week
1-12 Deca 200mg per week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-12 Caber 0.5mg twice per week
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

PCT Weeks 15-18

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Mk-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED

Assess how you handle the compound from this cycle and then you can increase them on future cycles based on your experience. You may or may not even need the caber at that low of a dose for deca but it's smart to keep it on hand.

 

[Romes20]

Do you always start Caber right from the start at a low dose or wait a week or two in, or even just keep an eye out for sides. As expensive as Caber is, seems like a good question to ask.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Do you always start Caber right from the start at a low dose or wait a week or two in, or even just keep an eye out for sides. As expensive as Caber is, seems like a good question to ask.

At that low of a dose, you might not even need caber. You absolutely want to keep some on hand just in case though. You don't have to run it from the start, but make sure you keep your estrogen levels in control with your aromasin.

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[drb_iac]

Max has it laid out good for you. Rule-#1- First time deca should be 200, with a slightly higher test. This allows you good gains and to see if nandrolone is a problem for you. If you get breast sensitivity on 200 deca then start the caber and I would advise using precaution in the future if you go up on deca or if you use tren. Rule#2 always run test higher than or equal to the deca.
Running deca higher than test allows sides to creep in such as limp dick, and really brings nothing to the table. Test is always king.Test allows deca to do its thing

 

[DylanGemelli]

Stats- 32years old, 6+ years training, 6', 198lbs, 11.2%bf

I am educating myself on Deca for down the road. Currently almost halfway through a 12 week run of 400mg Test Cyp, kicked off with Tbol and so far everything feels great and estrogen is staying under control just fine. I know Tbol is mild and I do have some Winstrol on hand, but I would like to take longer stints between oral steroids for the purposes of liver health. Hence, I am interested in possibly combining Test and Deca in a low dose like I know Dylan is so fond of. My Test is dosed at 200mg/ml and the Deca in mind (Pharmalady) is dosed at 300mg/ml. I have heard several opinions regarding the ratio between the two- that it is best to keep them the same, keep Test higher, keep Deca higher, etc...I am not interested in blowing up like a water balloon or going balls deep with a compound I am new to. So far, the simplest and safest way to do this would be-

Week 1-12 200mg Test/week (100mg twice a week)
Week 1-10 225mg Deca/week (.75ml dosed once a week)
Week 1-18 12.5mg Aromasin EOD or E3D as needed
Week 15-18 PCT (Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 50/50/25/25) -could also extend to 6 weeks?

Do you think it would be more worthwhile to add slightly higher Test by just pulling a bit extra past the .5ML line in this case, or perhaps running the full 300mg Deca with 200mg Test, or does it look about right as is? I would have Caber on hand in case sides start to show. Also, I know that Deca is more suppressive, so I would be more cautious and use HCG, though it would be my first time using it, and I am not sure if it would be best to run the entire 12 weeks or just the last few leading into PCT. Thanks for any input!

these are excellent questions but dont go too far with overthinking either, which by your second post, you most certainly are... 200/200 is a great starting point, or perhaps 250/250 but i would start with 200/200... you should not EVER leave anything to chance and running caber is of the utmost importance... trust me on this... the last thing you want to endure is prolactin sides... dont be one that has to learn the hard way... you will certainly regret it... your pct is not complete at all... here's a link for the entire pct... https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack?sort=p.price&order=DESC

here is the layout

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[sisir]

Without deca can i use test e or test p to bulking cycle or can i add EQ . Hey my upcaming cycle layout. 500mg test e with 250 EQ.for 12week with pct nolva and clomid and arimidex .plz any suggestion.thnkx

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[Jake]

Without deca can i use test e or test p to bulking cycle or can i add EQ . Hey my upcaming cycle layout. 500mg test e with 250 EQ.for 12week with pct nolva and clomid and arimidex .plz any suggestion.thnkx

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Do you mean that now you want to drop deca? You are thinking yourself in circles. If you do not want to do the 200/200 then try just a higher test only cycle.Or test +Tbol
#1 EQ is not a bulker at all.#2 EQ needs to be run at 600mgs min.
#3 eq needs to be run for 16 weeks min.

 

[RickRock]

Without deca can i use test e or test p to bulking cycle or can i add EQ . Hey my upcaming cycle layout. 500mg test e with 250 EQ.for 12week with pct nolva and clomid and arimidex .plz any suggestion.thnkx

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250mg EQ won't do anything. It needs to be ran at 600mg minimum and for at least 16 weeks. Deca isn't required, but 200mg Deca in that cycle with the right EQ dose could go a long way.

A proper pct looks like this

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED



(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[RickRock]

Stats- 32years old, 6+ years training, 6', 198lbs, 11.2%bf

I am educating myself on Deca for down the road. Currently almost halfway through a 12 week run of 400mg Test Cyp, kicked off with Tbol and so far everything feels great and estrogen is staying under control just fine. I know Tbol is mild and I do have some Winstrol on hand, but I would like to take longer stints between oral steroids for the purposes of liver health. Hence, I am interested in possibly combining Test and Deca in a low dose like I know Dylan is so fond of. My Test is dosed at 200mg/ml and the Deca in mind (Pharmalady) is dosed at 300mg/ml. I have heard several opinions regarding the ratio between the two- that it is best to keep them the same, keep Test higher, keep Deca higher, etc...I am not interested in blowing up like a water balloon or going balls deep with a compound I am new to. So far, the simplest and safest way to do this would be-

Week 1-12 200mg Test/week (100mg twice a week)
Week 1-10 225mg Deca/week (.75ml dosed once a week)
Week 1-18 12.5mg Aromasin EOD or E3D as needed
Week 15-18 PCT (Nolva 40/40/20/20, Clomid 50/50/25/25) -could also extend to 6 weeks?

Do you think it would be more worthwhile to add slightly higher Test by just pulling a bit extra past the .5ML line in this case, or perhaps running the full 300mg Deca with 200mg Test, or does it look about right as is? I would have Caber on hand in case sides start to show. Also, I know that Deca is more suppressive, so I would be more cautious and use HCG, though it would be my first time using it, and I am not sure if it would be best to run the entire 12 weeks or just the last few leading into PCT. Thanks for any input!

I would personally always run test equal to or great than Deca. I would never run it under that. So at least go 200/200 test and Deca


For pct make sure you cover yourself completely

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED




(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[JackSteel]

I would do 200 test/150 deca a full twelve weeks both. Nothing wrong with starting lower and it will still give you great gains. You're just now on your first cycle so don't get too anxious to jack doses up.


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[DylanGemelli]

250 eq is a joke... thats a complete waste... 600 is the minimum but 800 is ideal... if you really want a strong recomp, go with 200 test/200 deca and 800 eq

 

[sisir]

Thnkx u both

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