Crash after PCT after test/deca/dbol/anavar cycle

[464]

Hello isarms. Let me ask you for advice. I like your videos, unfortunately i became stupid and fdup.

Stats: 180cm/85kg, 11% bodyfat. 27yo. I had three cycles when i was 20-21. And three cycles now when i was 26-27. All were maximum 5g of steroids in cycle.

With this last cycle i gained from 82 to 90kg.

I ran cycle for 11 weeks (inculuding ester clearance) consisting of

1-9 Sustanon 350/week (3150mg of test per cycle)
1-7 Nandrolone mix (prop, pp, deca, laurate) 250/week (2100mg per cycle)
1-3 Dbol 25 mg (500mg per cycle, kickstart)
1-3 Aromasin 12.5mg E3D
4-11 Anavar 40mg (2000mg per cycle)
5-10 HCG 500 IU E4D, 5000 IU together
12-16 Nolva 30/20/20/20
12-14 Aromasin 25mg/day

PCT started 17 days after last sustanon, and 29 days after last nandrolone mix.

Maybe i made mistake by not taking AI entire cycle, and also haven't involved prolactin inhibitor, but i thought doses are low.

I am afraid i made also mistake with nandrolone, it contains laurate ester, which is very long and i am scared it was (or still is) in the body blocking me from stimulating LH.

Bloodwork on last day of cycle was total test 5,02 ug/l, estradiol 356 pmol/l (sorry that i haven't tested more)
Bloodwork on 15th day of PCT total test 12,26 nmol/l (ref 8,64 - 29), that's like 3.5ug/l, SHBG was 26,4 nmol/l.
I stopped PCT on 35th day of PCT. Felt kinda good, libido was fine, but after one week i had crash, was not able to get erection, kamagra didn't worked as well. But maybe it's psychological. So i started taking clomid 50 + nolva 20 + caber 0.5mg E3D. I feel my balls have normal size, and i feel something is ongoing in them.

Bloodwork now 46th day of PCT - LH 3,5 (ref 1,2-8,6) , FSH 3,4 (ref 1,3-19,3), total test 2,30 (ref 1,75-7,81) which is even less then on 15th day, estradiol 168 (ref 73,36-275,1), prolactin 4,1 ( ref 2,6-13,1)

I am getting depressed, i am sleeping like 2 hours per day, scared as hell and cannot get erection. Any idea what could be the best?

Today it's 60 days after last sustanon, 73 days after last nandrolone.

Blast HCG? Include AI? PT-141? Cialis? Or go on test only, till nandrolone clears from body (if it's there).

I am considering whether this is also psychological. One day i had nice sex, and the other day (after i realized i have total test 230) couldn't get erection. Since that i am not able to sleep normally and i am scared.

Thank you.

 

[AimArnold]

Hello isarms. Let me ask you for advice. I like your videos, unfortunately i became stupid and fdup.

Stats: 180cm/85kg, 11% bodyfat. 27yo. I had three cycles when i was 20-21. And three cycles now when i was 26-27. All were maximum 5g of steroids in cycle.

With this last cycle i gained from 82 to 90kg.

I ran cycle for 11 weeks (inculuding ester clearance) consisting of

1-9 Sustanon 350/week (3150mg of test per cycle)
1-7 Nandrolone mix (prop, pp, deca, laurate) 250/week (2100mg per cycle)
1-3 Dbol 25 mg (500mg per cycle, kickstart)
1-3 Aromasin 12.5mg E3D
4-11 Anavar 40mg (2000mg per cycle)
5-10 HCG 500 IU E4D, 5000 IU together
12-16 Nolva 30/20/20/20
12-14 Aromasin 25mg/day

PCT started 17 days after last sustanon, and 29 days after last nandrolone mix.

Maybe i made mistake by not taking AI entire cycle, and also haven't involved prolactin inhibitor, but i thought doses are low.

I am afraid i made also mistake with nandrolone, it contains laurate ester, which is very long and i am scared it was (or still is) in the body blocking me from stimulating LH.

Bloodwork on last day of cycle was total test 5,02 ug/l, estradiol 356 pmol/l (sorry that i haven't tested more)
Bloodwork on 15th day of PCT total test 12,26 nmol/l (ref 8,64 - 29), SHBG 26,4 nmol/l.
I stopped PCT on 35th day of PCT. Felt kinda good, libido was fine, but after one week i had crash, was not able to get erection, kamagra didn't worked as well. But maybe it's psychological. So i started taking clomid 50 + nolva 20 + caber 0.5mg E3D. I feel my balls have normal size, and i feel something is ongoing in them.

Bloodwork now 46th day of PCT - LH 3,5 (ref 1,2-8,6) , FSH 3,4 (ref 1,3-19,3), total test 2,30 (ref 1,75-7,81) which is even less then on 15th day, estradiol 168 (ref 73,36-275,1), prolactin 4,1 ( ref 2,6-13,1)

I am getting depressed, i am sleeping like 2 hours per day, scared as hell and cannot get erection. Any idea what could be the best?

Today it's 60 days after last sustanon, 73 days after last nandrolone.

Blast HCG? Include AI? PT-141? Cialis? Or go on test only, till nandrolone clears from body (if it's there).

I am considering whether this is also psychological. One day i had nice sex, and the other day (after i realized i have total test 230) couldn't get erection. Since that i am not able to sleep normally and i am scared.

Thank you.

I am not 100% sure with this but search for "Shilajit" online, Buy it and use it. It is a herbal medicine used for treatment of infertile men, low libido and also as a sex enhancer. It will help a lot without any side effects. and also supplement with ZMA. That should help you. You already put so much chemicals in your body.. "LH" is the most important here. So learn about the herb "Shilajit",, you can buy it online and you will see results.

 

[AimArnold]

Also Deca molecules get stuck in the adipose tissue and it takes a lot to clear out. You should have run Test for week or two after Deca last shot. Also starting PCT faster might have caused the problem

 

[464]

I ran test 13 days longer.
If deca is still stuck in my body, considering if running test only can help. But i would prefer restore HPTA and go off forever.

 

[464]

Any idea what to do? Stop taking SERMs or keep them?
I will do another bloodwork tommorow for LH and TT most probably to see, if there is some change within last week i started taking clomid + nolva.

 

[AimArnold]

I ran test 13 days longer.
If deca is still stuck in my body, considering if running test only can help. But i would prefer restore HPTA and go off forever.

You are still a young guy. Your body must recover itself but it will surely take time. I don't think introducing more compounds to the body after using compounds for so long is good. So taking Shilajit or "terrestris tribulus" and ZMA must help. And for the present time concern, If sex is a problem then Viagra must help for that. This might not be 100% true but watching porn can also help.

 

[AimArnold]

Copied from my data but might help you:

When non-responsiveness occurs, then even after LH production is recovered the testes still do not produce testosterone in good amounts, and overall recovery is quite delayed. Losses from this steroid side effect can be severe.

A total HCG use of 5000-10,000 IU over a period of about 4-8 weeks can restore responsiveness.

It’s a poor and unnecessary plan to allow the testes to atrophy by starting HCG after the steroid cycle ends. It’s better to avoid atrophy and non-responsiveness from occurring in the first place. Further, HCG use during post-cycle therapy can impair recovery of LH production. So it’s not at all the ideal time to use it.

Instead, HCG should be used in the middle or late part of the cycle, and no later than the last steroid.

Also SARMS might help you out but as I am not familiar with SARMS, senior will guide you through this if you need.

 

[IND]

Look bro. You jacked this cycle up no doubt about that. You started running cycles at 20 and you wonder why you're fucked up?

You didn't use Aromasin throughout the cycle. You didn't use any prolactin protection while running nandrolones. Your PCT was half assed at best. You need to run a full PCT and ignore what was said above.

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK2866 25mg per day
GW 20mg per day

 

[464]

Thank you. I regret all of that, i cannot even sleep.

Anyway, i will start the PCT like this... Do you think body will utilize clomid/nolva even if i had one PCT recently?

 

[blaze91]

Thank you. I regret all of that, i cannot even sleep.

Anyway, i will start the PCT like this... Do you think body will utilize clomid/nolva even if i had one PCT recently?

Yes!... your PCT was incomplete... plus... you have no where to go but to do a proper and complete PCT Bro!

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Look bro. You jacked this cycle up no doubt about that. You started running cycles at 20 and you wonder why you're fucked up?

You didn't use Aromasin throughout the cycle. You didn't use any prolactin protection while running nandrolones. Your PCT was half assed at best. You need to run a full PCT and ignore what was said above.

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK2866 25mg per day
GW 20mg per day

^run another PCT then wait a few months after to retest.
https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=Pct

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

I don't agree with starting a whole pct again now. Your already like 70 days past your cycle. Your numbers looked recovered for the most part and now your going to introduce more drugs to get your numbers right only to have to rebound again from those drugs. Doesn't make sense to me.

Good points as well as TIME is usually the main factor in these situations

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

OP where did u get your original PCT from ?

 

[464]

It's very hard to choose, do another PCT now or not. I have like zero libido now.

PCT was too soon and too weak, i understand it.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

It's very hard to choose, do another PCT now or not. I have like zero libido now.

PCT was too soon and too weak, i understand it.

where did you get the PCT from ?

 

[464]

From a friend who was competing. Bad mistake.

 

[464]

I am considering few factors:

1) If nandrolone laurate / decanoate is still present in my body blocking me from restoring HPTA

2) If my testicles will be able to receive info from LH to produce TST, or should i consider blasting HCG to kick the process, something like PoWeR PCT program. Those 16 days 2000 IU EOD should not desensitise leydig cells as far what they say.

3) Libido is minimized due to one or more factors - TST levels, SHBG (and free TST), E2 levels, Prolactin, or Dopamine. So i am wondering if i will be able doing second PCT recover libido. I hope so because with aromasin i would lower SHBG, nolva and tamox will should stimulate LH and FSH hopefully.

 

[RickRock]

Bro just run a full pct again. There's no harm in that at all and it can only help you. Just make sure you actually have good legit shit this time. Get this pct from www.sarmsx.com

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED

I'd also recommend picking up some triple X from sarmsx as well, which is a combination of Cialis, viagra, and Levitra. That will help substantially with erection issues

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[AimArnold]

I don't agree with starting a whole pct again now. Your already like 70 days past your cycle. Your numbers looked recovered for the most part and now your going to introduce more drugs to get your numbers right only to have to rebound again from those drugs. Doesn't make sense to me.

Absolutely. I said the same. And please can you review this video and say whether it makes sense or not? Its about HCG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aERGic7C8

 

[AimArnold]

I am a Junior here. Sorry to interfere what seniors are saying but Nolvadex has a side effect and it is: "Reduced sexual interest" which he is experiencing right now. If he goes for it again. I cannot guess what will happen. It might not be the case but just an information.