This may sound really weird but I'm kind of curious, This always seems to be recommended in PCT to help recover from suppression during cycle I assume, so I did some research on clomid and found this interesting.
So I'm curious if you were to just take clomid would that raise test levels enough to see how you may react to taking testosterone itself? Could you take clomid if you think your test may be a little low to pep you up a bit and feel a little better if suffering symptoms from a slightly lower test count? Or is it something you would have to mega dose to get any kind of real beneficial effect?
Here is what I found:
Medical treatment is most often prescribed for men who have hormonal abnormalities. For example, some men with low sperm counts have low levels of the primary male hormone, testosterone. Although the logical approach might be to give a man with a low testosterone level supplemental testosterone, in fact, that is the wrong thing to do.the same clomiphene citrate we give to women to help them ovulate regularly. Clomiphene works essentially the same way in both women and men; in women, it binds to receptors in the brain (specifically the hypothalamus and the pituitary gland) to increase the production of follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). These hormones act on the ovarian follicles to induce egg development and ovulation. In men, the increase in FSH leads to an increase in sperm production, whereas the increase in LH leads to an increase in testosterone production.
Due to the complicated design of the endocrine system, giving testosterone to a man can actually decrease the sperm count. A similar situation exists in women, where giving estrogen (like that found in a birth control pill) can prevent egg development and ovulation.
Whereas clomiphene is typically given to women for 5 days early in their cycle, men need to take clomiphene every day (as sperm production occurs every day). It is possible to “overshoot” – i.e. for a man to over-respond to even low dose clomiphene by making too much testosterone. As this can decrease the sperm count, it is very important to re-check the man’s hormone levels a few weeks after he begins taking clomiphene. The typical starting dose for male clomiphene is 25 mg (1/2 pill) per day, but if the repeat testosterone level is too high, this dose can be reduced to ½ pill every other day.
So I'm curious if you were to just take clomid would that raise test levels enough to see how you may react to taking testosterone itself? Could you take clomid if you think your test may be a little low to pep you up a bit and feel a little better if suffering symptoms from a slightly lower test count? Or is it something you would have to mega dose to get any kind of real beneficial effect?
Here is what I found:
Medical treatment is most often prescribed for men who have hormonal abnormalities. For example, some men with low sperm counts have low levels of the primary male hormone, testosterone. Although the logical approach might be to give a man with a low testosterone level supplemental testosterone, in fact, that is the wrong thing to do.the same clomiphene citrate we give to women to help them ovulate regularly. Clomiphene works essentially the same way in both women and men; in women, it binds to receptors in the brain (specifically the hypothalamus and the pituitary gland) to increase the production of follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). These hormones act on the ovarian follicles to induce egg development and ovulation. In men, the increase in FSH leads to an increase in sperm production, whereas the increase in LH leads to an increase in testosterone production.
Due to the complicated design of the endocrine system, giving testosterone to a man can actually decrease the sperm count. A similar situation exists in women, where giving estrogen (like that found in a birth control pill) can prevent egg development and ovulation.
Whereas clomiphene is typically given to women for 5 days early in their cycle, men need to take clomiphene every day (as sperm production occurs every day). It is possible to “overshoot” – i.e. for a man to over-respond to even low dose clomiphene by making too much testosterone. As this can decrease the sperm count, it is very important to re-check the man’s hormone levels a few weeks after he begins taking clomiphene. The typical starting dose for male clomiphene is 25 mg (1/2 pill) per day, but if the repeat testosterone level is too high, this dose can be reduced to ½ pill every other day.
