Clomid on cycle

[Philthethrill]

Serms can be effective on cycle depending on compound and reason ive never used clomid on cycle but nolvadex is awsome at stopping gyno when your AI isnt handleing yhe job and with anadrol use as it causes estrogen related sides like water retention and gyno but is actually a DHT and doesnt convert yet still a very wet compound .an AI is not effective there but nolvadex is . however never use with tren deca or npp because it can actually increase the risk of a prolactin issue.

confused here never use what with tren deca npp nolvadex?

 

[RickRock]

confused here never use what with tren deca npp nolvadex?

Yes that is correct, because nolvadex increases progesterone activity which is a double whammy when running nandrolones


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[Philthethrill]

Yes that is correct, because nolvadex increases progesterone activity which is a double whammy when running nandrolones


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Thanks for clearing that up

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for clearing that up

No problem at all my man!


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[Sickening skittles]

Doesn't running clomid or nolvadex on cycle help you not to be shut down as badly?

 

[RickRock]

Doesn't running clomid or nolvadex on cycle help you not to be shut down as badly?

Absolutely not. When LH and FSH is suppressed on cycle from taking exogenous hormones, taking clomid or Nolva won't do a damn thing


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[Sickening skittles]

Why wouldn't it? The clomid block the receptor and your body would not realize it doesn't need to make test. Right?

 

[RickRock]

Why wouldn't it? The clomid block the receptor and your body would not realize it doesn't need to make test. Right?

Because you are shutdown from test. The clomid can't stimulate your LH to produce natural test when it's at zero. It doesn't work that way at all bro. It's like trying to put out a skyscraper on fire with a water hose. The test shutting you down will drastically far exceed anything that measly little clomid or nolva can do. It literally will do absolutely nothing on cycle. If it worked you'd see people doing it, but it doesn't. That's why people use HCG to kickstart their production and not serms

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[DylanGemelli]

Because you are shutdown from test. The clomid can't stimulate your LH to produce natural test when it's at zero. It doesn't work that way at all bro. It's like trying to put out a skyscraper on fire with a water hose. The test shutting you down will drastically far exceed anything that measly little clomid or nolva can do. It literally will do absolutely nothing on cycle. If it worked you'd see people doing it, but it doesn't. That's why people use HCG to kickstart their production and not serms

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exactly... think of it like this... if that worked then why wouldn't you just run test in your pct then? would it not counteract based on that argument? that's why they are separated and used in different ways and times..

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Doesn't running clomid or nolvadex on cycle help you not to be shut down as badly?

When you run clomid the pituitary actually sees the drug as part of total estrogen in pct when test is low the higher your estrogen the more the hpta is going try and balance the scales so it stimulates LH and restarts test production. When you have superphysiological testosterone levels the scales are already tipped so far in one direction taking clomid is like trying too balance a 747 with some pebbles .

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[RickRock]

exactly... think of it like this... if that worked then why wouldn't you just run test in your pct then? would it not counteract based on that argument? that's why they are separated and used in different ways and times..

Another very valid point Dylan. If clomid worked on cycle, then test would work in PCT, and we all know that is not the case


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[zeke]

No expert at all here but I do know that some of the Iron Men use clomid all the time.Then get off of it and do a mild cycle like test winny and then back on it. So it seems they make it a point to be on clomid at all times except when doing a cycle. I guess that makes sense.

 

[RickRock]

No expert at all here but I do know that some of the Iron Men use clomid all the time.Then get off of it and do a mild cycle like test winny and then back on it. So it seems they make it a point to be on clomid at all times except when doing a cycle. I guess that makes sense.

Yes that type of protocol makes total sense because they are using it for recovery purposes when coming off of the compounds. However, it has no place on cycle in terms of HPTA effects


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[Gymjunkie38]

No expert at all here but I do know that some of the Iron Men use clomid all the time.Then get off of it and do a mild cycle like test winny and then back on it. So it seems they make it a point to be on clomid at all times except when doing a cycle. I guess that makes sense.

Thats bridging alot of guys who blast and cruise mostly bodybuilders will do this with hcg and clomid usally after offseason bulking cycle cruise up too contest prep time blast through the shows then go on hcg and clomid for ten weeks or so then back too off season blast

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Its important too understand the hcg keeps you suppressed this protocal is done too get a better response from the drugs when you go back on it has shit too do with recovery and if your not commited too a blast and cruise lifestyle do not do this

 

[Guarionex]

I think that what you read was from drb. He was not advocating using clomid on cycle, he was saying when it came out it was used often as an AI,but it is best for pct. He went on to say that men who cannot tolerate test, or men trying to get their wives PG, and also have low test could take clomid and accomplish two things.An increase in test and a big increase in sperm count. There are many guys that if you say test, pins or steroids they start shaking. Clomid may help these types of guys with low test.
I would not consider it while on cycle with anything. I know that drb loves clomid and he stays on it when not on cycle. In pct he likes a high dose of 50mg x2/day, but be warned that is not the dose for everyone. In pct he has zooming test within 8 days. In off season he stays on 50mg eod. In his late 60's his latest test result was 620.

Increased spem count? I bet some porn stars use some clomid for a more impressive.... money shot? LMFAO

 

[Guarionex]

I think that what you read was from drb. He was not advocating using clomid on cycle, he was saying when it came out it was used often as an AI,but it is best for pct. He went on to say that men who cannot tolerate test, or men trying to get their wives PG, and also have low test could take clomid and accomplish two things.An increase in test and a big increase in sperm count. There are many guys that if you say test, pins or steroids they start shaking. Clomid may help these types of guys with low test.
I would not consider it while on cycle with anything. I know that drb loves clomid and he stays on it when not on cycle. In pct he likes a high dose of 50mg x2/day, but be warned that is not the dose for everyone. In pct he has zooming test within 8 days. In off season he stays on 50mg eod. In his late 60's his latest test result was 620.

Dang! Drb should create two thread, one called "The Senior Citizen Cycle for Men", and the other "The Sexy Cycle for Mature Women" (it needs to sound nicer for the ladies).

I'm sure the advise could add plenty of quality of life to the more mature crowd here.

 

[RickRock]

Increased spem count? I bet some porn stars use some clomid for a more impressive.... money shot? LMFAO

I'm sure they have a few tricks lol


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[SaladTossingBitch]

As an anti-estrogen for on cycle steroid use, Clomid is fairly effective at staving off gynecomastia. It will not reduce estrogen levels or inhibit the aromatization process, but in many cases, binding to the receptors is enough protection for many men. In fact, while there are stronger protective agents, many men would be surprised as to how well a SERM like Clomid can work if they would give it a chance. More importantly, when using Clomid for this purpose it can also have a positive impact on cholesterol levels. While an anti-estrogen, Clomid actually acts as estrogen in the liver, which in turn will promote healthier cholesterol levels. This can be very beneficial to the anabolic steroid user as anabolic steroid use is notorious for promoting unhealthy cholesterol levels.
For many men, especially hardcore anabolic steroid user, Clomid is not enough for estrogenic protection. In this case, an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) aromasin or arimidex will be needed. AI’s actively inhibit the aromatase process and will see serum estrogen levels reduced. By far they are the most effective at combating gynecomastia and will have more success in combating water retention. In fact, SERM’s like Clomid often do very little to combat water retention. However, in many cases, many performance athletes would do a better job controlling water retention if they did a better job controlling their diet. In off-season bulking plans this requires excess calories to grow. However, many take it too far, especially carbohydrate consumptions, and this will cause you to hold water with or without anabolic steroid use. Add in aromatizing steroids to the equation and water retention will be even greater.

So your saying it could help with cholesterol levels thats good especially if someone was on deca/tren which supposedly could destroy that.

Could you suggest a dosage?

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[RickRock]

So your saying it could help with cholesterol levels thats good especially if someone was on deca/tren which supposedly could destroy that.

Could you suggest a dosage?

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If I were trying to combat cholesterol issues on cycle, I would use GW which is far more effective for that, and use it in conjunction with the right supports

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