bmyers818
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yes those are weekly daily dose...And HCG should be administered two weeks prior to last injection and two weeks after...than you would roll into PCT....HCG 250 eod should be great
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yes those are weekly daily dose...And HCG should be administered two weeks prior to last injection and two weeks after...than you would roll into PCT....HCG 250 eod should be great
Gymjunkie38
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Hcg as bridge for the two weeks between last pin and start of pct 1000 ius a weeks is pretty standard length of use will depend on compound ran and how long ester takes too clear
So HCG does not replace clomid?
huh? NO, not in any way, shape or form does it replace it... it shouldn't even be used in the same sentence... hcg is NEVER and i mean NEVER used in pct, it could NEVER replace ANYTHING in pct...
Learn something all the time here. I thought HCG could be used as PCT. I now know better. Seems HCG is at the end of a cycle before PCT.
Yes that is correct. It's counterproductive to take it in pct, because you can't recover while on it.
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It technically can, but as said above, it is counter-productive in a normal healthy person trying to get back to baseline.
HCG MIMICS LH. It doesn't stimulate it back into life, it basically replaces it. So LH activity returns, but your natural LH production from pituitary to Leydig cells is still shut down and dead because there's something else (HCG) doing the job for it.
The idea is to use HCG throughout cycle or at the end, to raise this activity back up, and then remove the HCG and let your natural LH production kick back in to support it. Rather than not using it and having that strain of your natural LH production not only have to awaken, but also raise the levels up itself after being dormant so long.
There are people who use HCG in PCT, but what you'll find is that, like myself, they have existing issues that have already shut down their natural LH production. Their pituitary simply doesn't make LH, which means no signal to make testosterone, which means low testosterone. So coming off cycle, their LH is going to remain shut down in their natural state. These are people who are or should be on full time TRT, but for whatever reason if they want to take a break, that is why they use HCG while they are off.
But as said, a normal healthy person doesn't use HCG in PCT as it will keep you shut down, even though it brings back functioning.
Yes that's correct on the dosing. 50mg per day weeks one and two. 25mg per day weeks three and four
HCG does not have vision issues, but YOU NEVER TAKE IT IN PCT! it is to be used before PCT only!
Also Clomid needs to be taken every day NOT three times a week.
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Excellent post brother. Thanks for posting up all that information
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Thanks broseff!
Rickrock is on the mark as above ^
The only real issues with HCG are:
It can raise intra-testicular E2, which is a little harder to control, even with an AI, unlike serum E2.
And if you run it for a long time, without a break, you can reduce Leydig Cell sensitivity. Not that they will stop responding to the HCG, just that they will be reduced in general, which you don't want. It affects down regulation of receptor activity or something - I can't honestly remember the exact science. But it happens naturally and HCG can exacerbate it. Which is why a week or month off here and there is often recommended.
Rickrock is on the mark as above ^
The only real issues with HCG are:
It can raise intra-testicular E2, which is a little harder to control, even with an AI, unlike serum E2.
And if you run it for a long time, without a break, you can reduce Leydig Cell sensitivity. Not that they will stop responding to the HCG, just that they will be reduced in general, which you don't want. It affects down regulation of receptor activity or something - I can't honestly remember the exact science. But it happens naturally and HCG can exacerbate it. Which is why a week or month off here and there is often recommended.
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Which is why i never use HCG, no reason for it
All i can say to this post is two simple words... THANK YOU... how well said this is... THIS is about as spot on as it gets... Ive read it 3 times looking for something to add and i dont even need to... This is what I have been stressing for so long to people... i have had countless clients who have been RUINED by long term hcg use... it has a place, a very small one, in a cycle and THATS IT... NEVER in pct and NEVER for extended periods... VERY WELL SAID BROTHER
Great post brother! Lots of good information in this thread, and thank you for adding to it
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What mental sides?
Thanks guys.
It definitely has its place though. When you actually want it to do the things it does.
It definitely has its place though. When you actually want it to do the things it does.
Yes it does, just not for me personally
Higher doses of Clomid can bring on emotional sides for some. Many will describe feeling overly sensitive or depressed. I've never experienced it and many don't, but it can be common, especially for those running at 100mg doses or more
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Most definitely. Two weeks at 50mg will get the job done. Again anything higher is unnecessary. I remember I accidentally dosed it at 100mg and was having some serious visual side effects.
if you go over 50 mg of clomid, count on having emotional sides along with possible vision issues, etc... there's far too many that bitch and moan about clomid sides but then you find out their dosing and you know why... never exceed 50 mg ...
