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At the doc office the other day,they have a tv that shows slides of various health things..one slide showed a recent 2 year study on good/bad cholesterol..study showed people with good cholesterol had more heart attacks and other heart related illnesses than the ones with bad cholesterol..they now are rethinking whether bad cholesterol is really even bad...which is no surprise,science changes its mind every few years anyway on everything..
 
I wish they could make up their mind and get it right!

Man I've been saying for years...science is nothing more than an organized system of ignorance..what is fact today is fiction 2maro, it's ever changing and will always be that way...I veiw science is just a basic guideline to understand things..other that that it's mostly useless..I mean yea it's done some great things but overall it's a headache..constantly changing..don't know what's good/what's not...and it's all usually based on one person's theory at the moment..Idk...I do believe blood pressure is key like said before..but I don't put much worry in cholesterol, nor do I believe red meat is bad or any of that other crap. Eat decent,exercise,and hope for the best
 
I never did buy nto any of it. It did sell lots of drugs and did make big pharm very wealthy. The choles is produced in the liver and we now know that it has nothing to do with eating choles. The drugs force the liver to operate in anaother way than what it wants to do.This is not good to try and manipulate your liver. When I did autopsies on horses many years ago, it was usually on horses that would not eat and died of starvation. I always noticed that theses horses had perfectly clean cardiovascular systems. Then many years latter I read the same about anorexic people who died also had perfect hdl and ldl. WTF?
So when we take steroids we make more LDL. Is that ananboilc related? Why is it that when we put our body into an anabolic state that ldl goes up and hdl goes down?
And why all the worry? Because big pharm told big docs to worry.

Here is one more bit of medical ifo I want to ass on. Not one.....nt one case of prostate cancer has ever been traced to anabolic steroids. Not one study can find an association. If there s no study then what exactly have we been worrying about all of these years? The very first study has just been concluded that there is no direct cause and effect. The reason for the study was that trt is becoming very common and they wanted to see how testosterone effected (not affected) the prostate. Well the conclusion is that it does not.

Eat your eggs and enjoy your test. Many years ago ,just to be a horse's ass ,I ate 12 eggs per day ofr 6 months and then had my bloodwork done.When the doc said I looked great I told him it was the eggs, the cigs, the booze, and maybe the weights. I laughed all the way home.
 
I never did buy nto any of it. It did sell lots of drugs and did make big pharm very wealthy. The choles is produced in the liver and we now know that it has nothing to do with eating choles. The drugs force the liver to operate in anaother way than what it wants to do.This is not good to try and manipulate your liver. When I did autopsies on horses many years ago, it was usually on horses that would not eat and died of starvation. I always noticed that theses horses had perfectly clean cardiovascular systems. Then many years latter I read the same about anorexic people who died also had perfect hdl and ldl. WTF?
So when we take steroids we make more LDL. Is that ananboilc related? Why is it that when we put our body into an anabolic state that ldl goes up and hdl goes down?
And why all the worry? Because big pharm told big docs to worry.

Here is one more bit of medical ifo I want to ass on. Not one.....nt one case of prostate cancer has ever been traced to anabolic steroids. Not one study can find an association. If there s no study then what exactly have we been worrying about all of these years? The very first study has just been concluded that there is no direct cause and effect. The reason for the study was that trt is becoming very common and they wanted to see how testosterone effected (not affected) the prostate. Well the conclusion is that it does not.

Eat your eggs and enjoy your test. Many years ago ,just to be a horse's ass ,I ate 12 eggs per day ofr 6 months and then had my bloodwork done.When the doc said I looked great I told him it was the eggs, the cigs, the booze, and maybe the weights. I laughed all the way home.

Bahaha bet the doc didn't like that lol
 
At the doc office the other day,they have a tv that shows slides of various health things..one slide showed a recent 2 year study on good/bad cholesterol..study showed people with good cholesterol had more heart attacks and other heart related illnesses than the ones with bad cholesterol..they now are rethinking whether bad cholesterol is really even bad...which is no surprise,science changes its mind every few years anyway on everything..

The thing is that it's kinda hard to buy into that considering our obesity rate in the country and the majority of people having heart attacks are those people with obvious big problems with cholesterol from all the overabundance of fatty foods they eat. I've seen the bloodwork of some of my coworkers and it's fuckin scary. These are the same guys that eat fast food almost daily and a few of them have had some stints put in their arteries because their arteries are so clogged up. Two of them have had heart attacks before age 50, so I don't quite buy into all of that.

I know my own bloodwork is excellent because of the way I eat, obviously. I just would t be comfortable putting any stock into this that bad cholesterol isn't so bad and give people the impression that it is ok to have elevated levels


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The thing is that it's kinda hard to buy into that considering our obesity rate in the country and the majority of people having heart attacks are those people with obvious big problems with cholesterol from all the overabundance of fatty foods they eat. I've seen the bloodwork of some of my coworkers and it's fuckin scary. These are the same guys that eat fast food almost daily and a few of them have had some stints put in their arteries because their arteries are so clogged up. Two of them have had heart attacks before age 50, so I don't quite buy into all of that.

I know my own bloodwork is excellent because of the way I eat, obviously. I just would t be comfortable putting any stock into this that bad cholesterol isn't so bad and give people the impression that it is ok to have elevated levels


(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

True..but are the fat people dying from cholesterol or the fact the heart has to work twice as hard for all that weight? So many variables it's hard to determine.
 
At the doc office the other day,they have a tv that shows slides of various health things..one slide showed a recent 2 year study on good/bad cholesterol..study showed people with good cholesterol had more heart attacks and other heart related illnesses than the ones with bad cholesterol..they now are rethinking whether bad cholesterol is really even bad...which is no surprise,science changes its mind every few years anyway on everything..

I am no doctor - but I've had many discussions on this topic with my cardiologist (who was my old roommate in college and now considered one of the top cardiology researchers). According to him - heart disease is LDL driven. (I.e. bad cholesterol). Anything over 100 is considered too high according to him. But it gets more complicated than that: only certain LDL particles are considered high risk. These are based on size and their molecular properties on how much they "stick". Further – only certain HDL (good cholesterol) particles are worth a damn – and if a person doesn't have the right ones which essentially reduce plaque – it doesn't matter how high the good cholesterol is – a person could still be at risk.

The only way to figure this out is through a genetic blood test offered by either Berkeley Heart Lab or Boston Heart labs. After several years ago – you could get one of these for around $89. Now insurance companies have recognized their value and the cost may be upwards of $5000. It's insane – but people may be able to work something out with their doctor where they only pay an upfront cost of a few hundred bucks.

You can check out some Google searches on those heart tests as well as some of the following genetic markers for heart disease ApoE, ApoB, Lp(a), LP-plA2, 9p21 genotype to get an idea of the current research in this space.

Lastly, from what I've read personally, and through discussions with my friend and other progressive cardiologists – is that diet is only about 20% of the equation want to comes to heart disease – everything else is based on genetics. This is also why many cardiologists prescribe low dose statins even when they are not needed, based on the overall lipid score. Statins not only optimize
cholesterol levels, but also change the genetic makeup of it along the parameters I listed above, while also reducing inflammation in the arteries.
 
I hate to bore my young bros with medical science, but sometimes it is needed.As I stated before those who die of anorexia have the cleanest arteries around.There are many other factors involved with ldl and hdl than we are led to believe. There are other markers that are more predictive.I wrote this on this forum maybe over a year ago, and also wrote it for a friend who is a sports writer. It is rather boring but I have made it simple as I can, so it is not a complete work...it is more like drb's cliff notes.I hope that you can get something from it.

Ok bros...what about Cholesterol?
There's an awful lot more to know about cholesterol than you'll get from tv, that's for sure, and probably even from your busy doctor. For starters, let's take a look at the good things... you do know that cholesterol is vital for health? Good!

These days, most people know their total cholesterol count; some know their LDL and HDL counts (although fewer know which is considered good and which bad); fewer know the more important ratio between the two basic cholesterol types; and fewer still know further breakdowns exist in each type, let alone know where their own blood levels fit in the mix.
In recent years a rift has grown between those who fanatically believe that low LDL (low density lipoprotein, the "bad cholesterol") is the most important element to heart health and those who believe it's not important at all. Like most things, the truth likely falls between the two points.
Experts agree high HDL (the high density, "good" cholesterol) is protective against accumulating cholesterol blockage in the arteries. Raising your HDL is a worthy goal; the safest, cheapest and healthiest way to do this is with exercise... all exercise, but cardio exercise in particular. Other methods include niacin or estrogen treatments (big yuk) and will require your doctor's guidance, so start by upping your cardio intensity, which may do the trick for you without pills of any type.
Yes, about the cardio, make the time to do it. We now have SARMS....GW! Get some...take some!

While there's some controversy over the importance of low LDL cholesterol levels, there's no doubt high LDL in combination with raised inflammatory markers is deadly. You've heard of these, but likely have not had the blood tests done as they're not ordered automatically: Homocysteine, C-Reactive Protein, Lipoprotein /a, Fibrinogen. In laymen's terms, high levels of these give the LDL cholesterol something to stick to. (Bad juju.) This would give you two things to address, or more: lowering both the LDL and whichever markers were high. Fortunately, the treatment can also be the same: cardio, niacin, other supplements, perhaps statins or other pharmaceutical at least in the short term if your LDLs are extremely high.
If you do go on statins (or use red rice yeast to test as a natural substitute), review the research on the need for supplemental COQ10, as both statins and red rice yeast stop the production of COQ10 in addition to LDL production.
What about diet and cholesterol? Maybe your spouse heard a low-fat diet is the best way to go. Is that right? Not necessarily. The only certain way to clear arteries is ultra-low calorie intake, but that, of course, leads to other problems. However, it's true: People who starve to death have arteries that are as "clean as a baby's...."

Lowered cholesterol via a low fat or vegetarian diet will apparently work for about 20% of all people. It's not true for everyone and testing through trial and error would be the key because for many people a lower carb diet would be better. In fact, a low fat diet can be disastrous for part of the population.
Your diet and exercise trial-and-error process could take an entire year of testing, changing for six weeks and testing again. But if you persevere, you'll discover the answer that's right for YOU, instead of blindly following the ads on your nightly television programs.
But wait! Don't relax just because you get your cholesterol results back and are told everything's "normal."
Both HDL (good) and LDL (bad) cholesterol is made up of a range of different types of particles and for a majority of the population, particle type is the key issue. Within the LDL class there are A and B families of particles and within these families, seven types of particles. Everyone has a mix of particle types, but if your heredity leads to a higher range of the denser particles within the LDL class, you have a problem—even if your total cholesterol is low or your HDL/LDL ratio is good.


On the other hand, if your total cholesterol is high but the LDL "B" family particles are light and fluffy, this is a much less dangerous condition.

As you can see, this is a much more complex subject than simply getting your cholesterol lower than the suggested 200. Spend a Saturday afternoon researching the potential problem; OR get on a good clean diet, and do cardio. If you want to be Mr or Ms super cardio then get your sarms and get after it.
Godspeed my bros.
 
The thing is that it's kinda hard to buy into that considering our obesity rate in the country and the majority of people having heart attacks are those people with obvious big problems with cholesterol from all the overabundance of fatty foods they eat. I've seen the bloodwork of some of my coworkers and it's fuckin scary. These are the same guys that eat fast food almost daily and a few of them have had some stints put in their arteries because their arteries are so clogged up. Two of them have had heart attacks before age 50, so I don't quite buy into all of that.

I know my own bloodwork is excellent because of the way I eat, obviously. I just would t be comfortable putting any stock into this that bad cholesterol isn't so bad and give people the impression that it is ok to have elevated levels


(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

I'm willing to bet that those eating fast food daily aren't having problems due to cholesterol though, but more the other toxic ingredients and fillers in fast food. Preservatives for example don't just preserve your food, they preserve your intestines too. Look at how long fast food lasts sitting in open air. It lasts YEARS and even decades without decomposing. Preservatives alone are guaranteed causing a plethora or chronic diseases.
 
I don't believe in "bad food" just bad additives and bad food processing. People say red meat causes heart disease and I say BULLSHIT! Processed red meat causes heart disease. No one ever does studies on 100% natural foods. Never.


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Then when 100s of studies are done on GMO foods showing they cause cancer etc. everyone says "Nah! That's conspiracy and bullshit!" Hmm I guess cancer has risen exponentially in the last 50 years by coincidence. Pssh!


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I don't believe in "bad food" just bad additives and bad food processing. People say red meat causes heart disease and I say BULLSHIT! Processed red meat causes heart disease. No one ever does studies on 100% natural foods. Never.


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That is pretty much so.I proved that right at the time they said it was eggs that were at fault.In the fast food,processed food industry they employ people with degrees in food psychology. These folks spend all day deciding what to put into fast food to make it addictive, appetizing, long shelf life etc. They do not care what goes into their shit as long as they can hook you. They even decide the furniture layout in the stores. The design chairs that are comfy for about 10-15 minutes and then become uncomfortable.They want you to sit there and enjou your crap food but they don't want you hanging around. Same folks who design gracery store layouts. Show the looks and smells of breads and cakes before anything. To find beans,grains etc you have to walk to the other side of the store. There is big big money in selling you shit food. Remember that guy that had an original Twinkie from his WW2 rations? The bastard looked like new!! WTF...only wrapped in light cellophane. Eat your eggs, meat, butter. No one wants you to know the real culprit!
 
True..but are the fat people dying from cholesterol or the fact the heart has to work twice as hard for all that weight? So many variables it's hard to determine.

Well considering the cholesterol is clogging their arteries to cause the heart attacking the first place, I don't see all that cholesterol being a good thing at all


(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
 
That is pretty much so.I proved that right at the time they said it was eggs that were at fault.In the fast food,processed food industry they employ people with degrees in food psychology. These folks spend all day deciding what to put into fast food to make it addictive, appetizing, long shelf life etc. They do not care what goes into their shit as long as they can hook you. They even decide the furniture layout in the stores. The design chairs that are comfy for about 10-15 minutes and then become uncomfortable.They want you to sit there and enjou your crap food but they don't want you hanging around. Same folks who design gracery store layouts. Show the looks and smells of breads and cakes before anything. To find beans,grains etc you have to walk to the other side of the store. There is big big money in selling you shit food. Remember that guy that had an original Twinkie from his WW2 rations? The bastard looked like new!! WTF...only wrapped in light cellophane. Eat your eggs, meat, butter. No one wants you to know the real culprit!

Awesome post .
 
That is pretty much so.I proved that right at the time they said it was eggs that were at fault.In the fast food,processed food industry they employ people with degrees in food psychology. These folks spend all day deciding what to put into fast food to make it addictive, appetizing, long shelf life etc. They do not care what goes into their shit as long as they can hook you. They even decide the furniture layout in the stores. The design chairs that are comfy for about 10-15 minutes and then become uncomfortable.They want you to sit there and enjou your crap food but they don't want you hanging around. Same folks who design gracery store layouts. Show the looks and smells of breads and cakes before anything. To find beans,grains etc you have to walk to the other side of the store. There is big big money in selling you shit food. Remember that guy that had an original Twinkie from his WW2 rations? The bastard looked like new!! WTF...only wrapped in light cellophane. Eat your eggs, meat, butter. No one wants you to know the real culprit!

Exactly!!!
 
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