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Are SARMS a good idea for my client? PLEASE HELP

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Hey Guys, hope everyone is doing well!

I'm a personal trainer of many years, and I have an 18 year old client whom I've been training for the past few years. This kid is the single most determined person I've ever met in my life when it comes to his body. Ever since he set foot in the gym with me when he 16, he hasn't skipped out on a single day, training 6 times per week. When it comes to gaining weight, the kid has remarkable genetics. Overall, he's gained over 50 pounds of raw muscle since we started, and 35 pounds of raw muscle in seven months after the first year and a quarter.

On the other hand, when it comes to losing weight he has a problem. We've been cutting since mid October, and he's dropped from a 17% body fat to maybe a 14% if not higher. He looks great in a shirt, but pretty shitty when shirtless. We've cut him down before in the past, but he's never been able to get past this one spot. We've tried all sorts of diets and have even cut his carbs to less than 80g per day in desperation, which is obviously low for a kid his age.

When he started lifting, he had major self esteem issues. He always feels down about the way he looks, and he desperately wants to hop on gear. I've been trying to stop him, and I'm not 100% sure I'm going to get to him. He claims that girls have just started to like him, and he doesn't want to lose it by bulking again. His goals are to be massive, and around a 10% bf, but he knows he could likely end up as a fat mess if he continues to bulk. He says his goal physique is like a Joey Bosa.

I normally wouldn't suggest this for any of my clients, but since he's more of a little brother to me, I was thinking about suggesting a SARM cycle to him. If I were to do this, would it be appropriate given his circumstances? Would one cutting cycle, a mini PCT and maybe one recomp cycle be worth it if his diet is perfect from there on out? Would it be better if he stayed on SARMS in general for a while? I know the gains are maintainable...

I'm aware that I may sound bad here, but I really want this kid to achieve his dreams. He desperately wants to be lean for college, and be in the position to compete one day as well. I've never said this in my career as a trainer, but I'm not sure if we can safely get him to a lower body fat diet wise without him going insane. It's been a tough four and a half months for him. I'm not really educated on SARMS, so I'm not really sure what I'd put him on and what kind of PCT he would need.
 
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He used to, but his cardio has come from 15 minute uphill walks 3 times per week. His split is:

1). Chest/Arms
2). Back/Shoulders
3). Legs
4). Chest/ Arms
5). Back Shoulders
6). Legs
 
I'm confused, you want to cut him up, but you've got him up to 15 minute inclines 3 times a week? Dude seriously? Do your job man, fuck sarms for an 18 yo. 3 times a week check, 20-30 minutes check, 2 minutes on at 180 bpm 1 minute off, for the duration, that kid will be ripped in a month


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Hey Guys, hope everyone is doing well!

I'm a personal trainer of many years, and I have an 18 year old client whom I've been training for the past few years. This kid is the single most determined person I've ever met in my life when it comes to his body. Ever since he set foot in the gym with me when he 16, he hasn't skipped out on a single day, training 6 times per week. When it comes to gaining weight, the kid has remarkable genetics. Overall, he's gained over 50 pounds of raw muscle since we started, and 35 pounds of raw muscle in seven months after the first year and a quarter.

On the other hand, when it comes to losing weight he has a problem. We've been cutting since mid October, and he's dropped from a 17% body fat to maybe a 14% if not higher. He looks great in a shirt, but pretty shitty when shirtless. We've cut him down before in the past, but he's never been able to get past this one spot. We've tried all sorts of diets and have even cut his carbs to less than 80g per day in desperation, which is obviously low for a kid his age.

When he started lifting, he had major self esteem issues. He always feels down about the way he looks, and he desperately wants to hop on gear. I've been trying to stop him, and I'm not 100% sure I'm going to get to him. He claims that girls have just started to like him, and he doesn't want to lose it by bulking again. His goals are to be massive, and around a 10% bf, but he knows he could likely end up as a fat mess if he continues to bulk. He says his goal physique is like a Joey Bosa.

I normally wouldn't suggest this for any of my clients, but since he's more of a little brother to me, I was thinking about suggesting a SARM cycle to him. If I were to do this, would it be appropriate given his circumstances? Would one cutting cycle, a mini PCT and maybe one recomp cycle be worth it if his diet is perfect from there on out? Would it be better if he stayed on SARMS in general for a while? I know the gains are maintainable...

I'm aware that I may sound bad here, but I really want this kid to achieve his dreams. He desperately wants to be lean for college, and be in the position to compete one day as well. I've never said this in my career as a trainer, but I'm not sure if we can safely get him to a lower body fat diet wise without him going insane. It's been a tough four and a half months for him. I'm not really educated on SARMS, so I'm not really sure what I'd put him on and what kind of PCT he would need.

I'm glad this kid has the drive he has at his age, and he has obviously done well. It's nice that you have taken him under your wing and helped him like you have.


The main thing I want to stress is that the diet and training needs to be right first and foremost. Sarms are not a replacement for anything, but they can help you achieve things as an aid at an easier and faster pace
As for the Sarms, normally 18 is on the young side. However. I will say this. For his goals of losing bodyfat, there are a couple Sarms he could use no problem because they are not suppressive....GW and SR9009. Those right there are the best things he could use for fat loss. I wouldn't have a problem with him combining that with the more mild Sarms in terms of suppression, leith MK-2866. That stack I think would treat him really well and that's as far as I would go. For now he needs to avoid the more suppressive powerful Sarms like LGD and RAD. Here is a protocol he could follow from www.sarmsx.com


1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day



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I wouldn't recomend Sarms at his age honestly. You need to get his routine right. You literally have him doing less cardio than some guys do in the off season. I would almost guarantee if he started doing 35-40mins fasted cardio 6 days a week with a low carb diet he would lean up to what he wants. If I only did 3 days of 15 mins of cardio I'd be soft as fuck looking. Just my opinion though.
 
And also, he'd have to dose the SR-9009 at school. If he were to be caught that would be bad! Is there anything that he can dose all at once? He doesn't get out of school until May. Maybe we should clean bulk until Late June, and then cut 12 weeks before he goes to college?
 
And also, he'd have to dose the SR-9009 at school. If he were to be caught that would be bad! Is there anything that he can dose all at once? He doesn't get out of school until May. Maybe we should clean bulk until Late June, and then cut 12 weeks before he goes to college?
GW only needs dosed once in the morning, Its excellent for fat loss, and also is,not hormonal and requires no pct.

That one is going to be his best bet at his age

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
 
Dude seriously? No. I wouldn't recommend SARMS for that kid at all.
An you as a trainer really want to put that liability on you're name?
No way.
 
So You'd recommend one 12 week GW only cycle?
Gw only is going to be the safest best route for him to help fat loss, because it will have no side effects or effect on his hormones at all.

So yes 12 weeks of GW is perfectly fine. The main thing is going to be doing the right things with his diet, training, and cardio to make that happen

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
 
I may get flamed for this but I think it has to be said. You want to put this 18yo HIGHSCHOOL kid on Sarms. I just can't get on board with this at all. You say he has this drive to be lean and he is paying you to train him. You are not doing right by this guy, instead of changing his diet and routine to be conducive of getting lean you are looking for the easy way out per say. If I was this guys parents and found out you were suggesting he take PEDS to get lean, we would have some issues. At 18 he needs to be just eating properly and training properly. Before you start suggesting he take compounds maybe you should train him properly first and then when he's a little older and does his own research he can decide to take them. Sorry if I come off like a dick but this is a subject that is pretty near to me.
 
I may get flamed for this but I think it has to be said. You want to put this 18yo HIGHSCHOOL kid on Sarms. I just can't get on board with this at all. You say he has this drive to be lean and he is paying you to train him. You are not doing right by this guy, instead of changing his diet and routine to be conducive of getting lean you are looking for the easy way out per say. If I was this guys parents and found out you were suggesting he take PEDS to get lean, we would have some issues. At 18 he needs to be just eating properly and training properly. Before you start suggesting he take compounds maybe you should train him properly first and then when he's a little older and does his own research he can decide to take them. Sorry if I come off like a dick but this is a subject that is pretty near to me.
You won't get flamed bro, and I agree with you to a large extent which is why after some more thought I could only recommend GW. There is absolutely no harm whatsoever in taking that.

There is no replacement for the right diet and training plan. That is going to be 90% of results regardless

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
 
what i dont understand is the cardio routine here... if the goal is to be cutting then why on earth is cardio not the centerpiece of things? when you are stagnant etc. and then you take a look at this routine, which is horrible, then its clear changes need to be made... im the biggest sarms advocate on the planet but im more of an advocate of hard work than anything else... yes, sarms can give the enhancement that is necessary but its only needed when all other avenues have been visited and that's far from the scenario here... this comes flat out down to training and/or lack there of... if the current routine is too much, then it needs to be scaled to where its conducive to the goal at hand... im just lost on this... when your a trainer, this is flat out common sense and im pretty disappointed in the lack of guidance given... its not good at all... im not trying to be rude but its black and white... your looking for any way out of this when its a lack of teaching thats the problem here
 
You won't get flamed bro, and I agree with you to a large extent which is why after some more thought I could only recommend GW. There is absolutely no harm whatsoever in taking that.

There is no replacement for the right diet and training plan. That is going to be 90% of results regardless

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

Yea I agree about GW, I would just hate to see this kid not change his routine which is really subpar at best and then jump on GW because this trainer doesn't have him doing what he needs to be doing.i also don't want it to seem like I'm against PEDS hell in as juiced and sarm'd up as they come but you need to put in the work with the right diet and routine
 
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what i dont understand is the cardio routine here... if the goal is to be cutting then why on earth is cardio not the centerpiece of things? when you are stagnant etc. and then you take a look at this routine, which is horrible, then its clear changes need to be made... im the biggest sarms advocate on the planet but im more of an advocate of hard work than anything else... yes, sarms can give the enhancement that is necessary but its only needed when all other avenues have been visited and that's far from the scenario here... this comes flat out down to training and/or lack there of... if the current routine is too much, then it needs to be scaled to where its conducive to the goal at hand... im just lost on this... when your a trainer, this is flat out common sense and im pretty disappointed in the lack of guidance given... its not good at all... im not trying to be rude but its black and white... your looking for any way out of this when its a lack of teaching thats the problem here

I totally agree bro
 
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