Alternatives to Tren on a 2nd Cycle?

[RickRock]

I have a question related to the topic & may be helpful to the OP(If it wasn't I would've started my own thread).

Would the joint lubricating properties of Deca be enough to combat the joint drying effects of Winstrol?(Of course with all the usual joint support supplements)

Thanks

Also to the OP.The Deca dick can be compensated by either upping your Test or lowering your Deca.

Yes, it probably would help a great deal I imagine. I've never ran the combo, but that's about to change. I'm on test, deca, eq right now and will be adding in winstrol next month

 

[Flanex]

Yes, it probably would help a great deal I imagine. I've never ran the combo, but that's about to change. I'm on test, deca, eq right now and will be adding in winstrol next month

Thanks Rick.I appreciate the quick response.I hope this cycle treats you well.

 

[RickRock]

Thanks Rick.I appreciate the quick response.I hope this cycle treats you well.

Thank you buddy. So far, so good!

 

[DylanGemelli]

Actually big bro, I am a bit on the fence.. so, as you know, I do want to put on some size. I'm thinkin about 8-10 lbs more reasonably, but more focus on strength gains and cutting. Like I said, I'm about 10-12% bf... so..

I'm obviously set on Test C as my base..
The question I now have is Deca, EQ, or Winnie.. Actually I think I may go with 2 out of the 3..
I like Deca for the size (and stregnth) I know know its aromatizing and causes some water retention.. i DO NOT like the idea of the Deca dick im hearin about..
The EQ I understand is a lot more user friendly.. from what I know it is a great cutter but can help put on size with the help of an increased appetite and that the gains are clean, slow and steady. 16-18 weeks for best results? That a long ass cycle! Lol straight up.. and im seeing that you wanna dose EQ around 600mgs a wk for that duration??
And then there's Winnie.. great for cutting and strength if I'm already fairly lean , lower body fat.. I know its very dry, hard on the joints, which I have bad joints already, but i guess that's fairly easy to mitigate by consuming more water, fish oil, other supplements that can provide extra lubrication in my joints. I also like that it's a shorter cycle, (and oral), but i know its hard on the liver so ill need to help combat that also..
I've looked into primo as well, which I know you're high on but supposedly it's hard to find the real deal? Idk if my guy can get it or not.. I guess the depot is the way to go with it if I can actually get it.. I heard Turkish is the legit compound..
Anyway.. these are the thoughts I'm wrestling with.. if you, or anyone can kinda help me make more sense of it all I would really appreciate it..

I prolly should make this a whole new thread..

hey brother... here's what i would go with... well, let me give you two options... the first would be test, eq, winstrol, GW501516 and S4... absolutely PERFECT for your goals... OR, you could sub out winsrol for primobolan... either cycle, would be perfect... i can put my stamp of a million percent approval on either... i would keep eq 600 MINIMUM but 800 is the sweet spot... im going to be starting a cycle of test, eq, masteron along with anadrol and winstrol stacked at HALF their normal doses and then gw and s4... im going for 7-10 lbs but pure shred ...

 

[Dayumtwin]

I have a question related to the topic & may be helpful to the OP(If it wasn't I would've started my own thread).

Would the joint lubricating properties of Deca be enough to combat the joint drying effects of Winstrol?(Of course with all the usual joint support supplements)

Thanks

Also to the OP.The Deca dick can be compensated by either upping your Test or lowering your Deca.

Damn good point, and I had exactly the same question about Deca kind of "combating" the winstrol in that respect, I just inadvertently left it out. Because if the answer is "yes", I think I will go with the Test, Deca, Winnie stack and run with it..

Good call fam

 

[Dayumtwin]

And with regards to "Deca dick", I mean.. I think it's all a matter of hormonal balance. I don't wanna totally suppress the estrogen, but i don't want too much. More test MIGHT be the answer, but might also make it worse.. I got Aromasin. I think 12.5 eod should do , hopefully.. that's just a risk I would have to consider..

 

[Dayumtwin]

hey brother... here's what i would go with... well, let me give you two options... the first would be test, eq, winstrol, GW501516 and S4... absolutely PERFECT for your goals... OR, you could sub out winsrol for primobolan... either cycle, would be perfect... i can put my stamp of a million percent approval on either... i would keep eq 600 MINIMUM but 800 is the sweet spot... im going to be starting a cycle of test, eq, masteron along with anadrol and winstrol stacked at HALF their normal doses and then gw and s4... im going for 7-10 lbs but pure shred ...

Damn Dylan, I missed your post because we posted at the same time! But THANK YOU bro! That does sound like it would hit the nail on the head.. I'm a little familiar with the GW501516 .. for recovery right? S4 is a hardener? Not exactly sure how to run them, but thats exactly why im here and im definately a proponent of SARMS.. Also seriously considering somthin like this..

1-12 Test C 500mgs wk
1-12 Deca 400mgs wk (200×2) OR EQ 1-16 800mg
9-14 Winnie 50mg day

1-12 (or 14) Aromasin 12.5 eod
14-17 Nolva 40/40/20/20
14-17 Clomid 50/50/50/50 ?

And possibly Gw501516 and or another SARM , once I learn the true use and benefits (at your recommendation, of course) ..

 

[DylanGemelli]

Damn Dylan, I missed your post because we posted at the same time! But THANK YOU bro! That does sound like it would hit the nail on the head.. I'm a little familiar with the GW501516 .. for recovery right? S4 is a hardener? Not exactly sure how to run them, but thats exactly why im here and im definately a proponent of SARMS.. Also seriously considering somthin like this..

1-12 Test C 500mgs wk
1-12 Deca 400mgs wk (200×2) OR EQ 1-16 800mg
9-14 Winnie 50mg day

1-12 (or 14) Aromasin 12.5 eod
14-17 Nolva 40/40/20/20
14-17 Clomid 50/50/50/50 ?

And possibly Gw501516 and or another SARM , once I learn the true use and benefits (at your recommendation, of course) ..

s4 is an ultra hardener and will increase strength, lean muscle, vascularity, good for your prostate and you feel great on it... PERFECT to run with winstrol bro and especially to help keep everything extremely clean... let me fix everything.. here are the links for everything you need followed by the layout...

https://www.sarmsx.com/30-Off/30-off-gw-501516

https://www.sarmsx.com/30-Off/30-s4-andarine

https://www.sarmsx.com/liquiaro-15mgs-ml-30mls

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133


1-16 test cyp 500 mg week
1-16 eq 800 mg week
1-18 proviron 50 mg day
7-18 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-16 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
13-18 winstrol 50 mg day
13-18 cycle assist
15-18 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 19-22


when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…








here is the link to purchase the entire pct stack followed by the layout...




https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133




clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day