AI's do more harm than good?

[joonp]

Ive experienced both high and low estrogen. When i get into levels of 70 or above i get bloated, i sweat a lot, i get extremely moody, and many other side effects. I will use an ai even if becomes common practice to do otherwise. For my body and how my body reacts keeping my estrogen around 30-40 is perfect

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[Christmas]

Ok, I watched the video. I agree with RickRock.

The focus is to show that yes, testosterone levels are beneficial to men. But that we can’t ignore estrogen or choose to suppress it below normal levels. This suggests testosterone to estrogen ratio matters. Higher estrogen following higher testosterone was heart and cancer protective. We know this. Older men experience significant declines in testosterone and estrogen. Giving them testosterone increases their estrogen. The video speaks against doctors trying to minimize estrogen levels as if all estrogen was bad, misunderstanding the effect of estrogen on bones and the immune system, etc.
So taking estrogen supplementation is your call in regards to your personal “normal”. The video shows that normal estrogen levels results in the most protective benefit. As we’ve been discovering, each male has a slightly different range of “normal”. Suggesting that every male benefits from taking estrogen is your own interpretation and would do more harm than good if followed.

These are my notes:
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Higher estrogen levels become protective after age 56, but is not protective below that.

They gave estrogen therapy to men deprived of androgens as part of their prostate cancer treatment. Androgen deprivation increased heart risk, and estrogen brought it back down again.
My note: We know from transgender people that if you suppress androgens and give estrogens the body will adapt to the new chemical makeup.

Estrogen in the amount normally produced by men is protective.

Higher estrogen levels associated with higher testosterone levels are protective.

High levels of testosterone and estrogen are associated with reduced prostate cancer aggressiveness.

Low levels of testosterone and estrogen causes the largest increase in risk of mortality.

Reducing levels of testosterone shows reducing levels of estrogen.


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[Blackhawk]

That is very useful feedback - and similar to my takeaway - much appreciated. That is one of his older presentations and he has newer ones that includes newer studies - but that is the core of his findings IMO. I note that he does provide a reference of all the studies at the 49 minute mark - 2 slides full and numerous studies cited.

Not for everyone - I agree. I am 57 and feel great - with high libido, low fat, and muscular. Recent full health check and bloodwork was discussed with 2 Doctors who told me I had superior health and they wouldn't change a thing. I am on TRT and a cycle of SARMS for the first time. So why am I even looking at this? Because in my last 2 blood draws I had what many consider high estrogen levels - but I've never felt better. I have above normal range T levels also - so the ratio of the 2 seems critical.

There is a history of prostate cancer in my family - really only one person - but still...

I want to be protective and live forever...JK - truly though I want to optimize my remaining life and live this way as long as possible. So I'm on a mission to learn and this kind of feedback is very informative and I really believe that "real" life experience and empirical evidence is extremely valuable and not to be ignored - not goes hand in hand with scientific review.

Last post on this thread I believe - knock this around enough for now. Thanks again for all the feedback.