Advice on Test/Tren cycle for quality lean gains

[Ricardo999]

I'm 46 y/o, 5'7", have been lifting for 12 years. Am very much into a lean/quality/astetic lookrather than a bulky one. Have done a few basic cycles in the basic and Test/Winny for cutting. Am 198lbs at 14% bf. I am looking for a 12 week lean mass course providing some slow, steady gains. I am looking to use Tren in a course and I want it t be the primary anabolic - so would this cycle be ok:

Test Cyp or Enanthate 250mg p/week Weeks 1-10
Test Prop 100mg EOD Weeks 10-12
Tren Ace 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
T-bol 60mg p/day Weeks 1-6
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Diet will be as clean as possible and 3 light cardio sessions per week for general health. Will also be taking usual vitamins and liver protection. PCT will be HCG followed by Nolvadex. As you can see I am running Test at TRT dose, I'm assuming this will be ok?

 

[EZ_E]

What's your EXACT cycle history?

You make no mention of PCT.

Diet needs to be clean long before you use AAS. Not "as clean as possible" and not when you're on.

3 sessions of light cardio? what's that?

 

[DylanGemelli]

I'm 46 y/o, 5'7", have been lifting for 12 years. Am very much into a lean/quality/astetic lookrather than a bulky one. Have done a few basic cycles in the basic and Test/Winny for cutting. Am 198lbs at 14% bf. I am looking for a 12 week lean mass course providing some slow, steady gains. I am looking to use Tren in a course and I want it t be the primary anabolic - so would this cycle be ok:

Test Cyp or Enanthate 250mg p/week Weeks 1-10
Test Prop 100mg EOD Weeks 10-12
Tren Ace 100mg EOD Weeks 1-8
T-bol 60mg p/day Weeks 1-6
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Diet will be as clean as possible and 3 light cardio sessions per week for general health. Will also be taking usual vitamins and liver protection. PCT will be HCG followed by Nolvadex. As you can see I am running Test at TRT dose, I'm assuming this will be ok?

hey bro, i can definitely help you here but i need more info from you... what are your FULL stats? age/height/weight/body fat? nolvadex is not even CLOSE to a pct man, not even close and i have no clue how you would ever expect to recover and then you will ultimately lose your gains... absolutely horrible bro... we need to get this fixed... you are not addressing half the issues in pct... also, it literally makes less than no sense to be running cyp and prop... no sense whatsoever... using prop 3 weeks? you need a lot of work here which i can help with... please let me know the answers to my questions...

 

[Ricardo999]

What's your EXACT cycle history?

You make no mention of PCT.

Diet needs to be clean long before you use AAS. Not "as clean as possible" and not when you're on.

3 sessions of light cardio? what's that?

I did mention PCT. Read the post again. Cardio is 15 minutes fasted or HIT three times a week. And yes, I eat clean 95% of the time year round.

 

[Ricardo999]

hey bro, i can definitely help you here but i need more info from you... what are your FULL stats? age/height/weight/body fat? nolvadex is not even CLOSE to a pct man, not even close and i have no clue how you would ever expect to recover and then you will ultimately lose your gains... absolutely horrible bro... we need to get this fixed... you are not addressing half the issues in pct... also, it literally makes less than no sense to be running cyp and prop... no sense whatsoever... using prop 3 weeks? you need a lot of work here which i can help with... please let me know the answers to my questions...

Hey Dylan. My full stats are in the OP. 46 y/o, 14% bf, 5'7". I will be running Prop from week 10 only, as I want everything out of my system by the end of week 12. Ok, I choose Nolvadex for PCT as I really struggle wih clomid. Is there any other info you need from me? Willing to revise my PCT if you can help.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey Dylan. My full stats are in the OP. 46 y/o, 14% bf, 5'7". I will be running Prop from week 10 only, as I want everything out of my system by the end of week 12. Ok, I choose Nolvadex for PCT as I really struggle wih clomid. Is there any other info you need from me? Willing to revise my PCT if you can help.

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well… you likely have not ran clomid properly in the past... many that have issues with it dose it too high... here is the link to purchase the proper pct followed by the layout... ALSO, i would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend using gw-501516 along side tren... it not only combats the cardio side effects but also protects against the cholesterol problems as well as blood pressure... www.sarmsx.com has the best you can find... https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[EZ_E]

I did mention PCT. Read the post again. Cardio is 15 minutes fasted or HIT three times a week. And yes, I eat clean 95% of the time year round.

You didn't mention your exact cycle history AND THE PCT FOR EACH.

 

[buen]

ok...can we just can this NORMAL TRT dose shit...

1. If your not on TRT..you are NOT running a trt dose
2. TRT dose is individual based on keeping your total test in the 700-1000ng/dL range
3. ALL Endo societies and professional organizations recommend the starting dose (normal) is 200mg every 2 weeks (100mg per week)...blood work is done 6-8wks after starting trt treatment...IF the test level is too high or too low the dose is adjusted to produce that total
4. It is rare that Dr prescribed TRT dose ever exceeds 200mg per week (this dose would be for non-responders)

 

[Ricardo999]

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well… you likely have not ran clomid properly in the past... many that have issues with it dose it too high... here is the link to purchase the proper pct followed by the layout... ALSO, i would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend using gw-501516 along side tren... it not only combats the cardio side effects but also protects against the cholesterol problems as well as blood pressure... www.sarmsx.com has the best you can find... https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

Hey Dylan great reply....thank you very much. You have really helped me out here.....the PCT is much, much stronger that what I have usually done. I will def take your advice. And I think that you are right with regards to clomid, I have been using it in the past at too high a dose.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

ok...can we just can this NORMAL TRT dose shit...

1. If your not on TRT..you are NOT running a trt dose
2. TRT dose is individual based on keeping your total test in the 700-1000ng/dL range
3. ALL Endo societies and professional organizations recommend the starting dose (normal) is 200mg every 2 weeks (100mg per week)...blood work is done 6-8wks after starting trt treatment...IF the test level is too high or too low the dose is adjusted to produce that total
4. It is rare that Dr prescribed TRT dose ever exceeds 200mg per week (this dose would be for non-responders)

^Dam I got much love for this dude ! Thanks

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey Dylan great reply....thank you very much. You have really helped me out here.....the PCT is much, much stronger that what I have usually done. I will def take your advice. And I think that you are right with regards to clomid, I have been using it in the past at too high a dose.

absolutely bro, im happy to help... once you get this dialed in and ran properly you are going to see a HUGE difference in recovery and sustainability of gains made!

 

[Ricardo999]

absolutely bro, im happy to help... once you get this dialed in and ran properly you are going to see a HUGE difference in recovery and sustainability of gains made!

I am using your PCT protocol EVERY TIME. I can honestly say nobody comes close to your level in terms of detail. One last question - am I right in my thinking that I should run Aromasin throughou the course AND for PCT?

 

[sirjecht]

I am using your PCT protocol EVERY TIME. I can honestly say nobody comes close to your level in terms of detail. One last question - am I right in my thinking that I should run Aromasin throughou the course AND for PCT?

Yes from start to finish

 

[RickRock]

I am using your PCT protocol EVERY TIME. I can honestly say nobody comes close to your level in terms of detail. One last question - am I right in my thinking that I should run Aromasin throughou the course AND for PCT?

That is correct bro. For estrogen rebound and to help recovery by lowering SHBG and increasing free test, Aromasin should be ran through the pct as well as the cycle

 

[Ricardo999]

absolutely bro, im happy to help... once you get this dialed in and ran properly you are going to see a HUGE difference in recovery and sustainability of gains made!

Ok, now PCT is sorted is my steroid cycle layout ok?

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

That is correct bro. For estrogen rebound and to help recovery by lowering SHBG and increasing free test, Aromasin should be ran through the pct as well as the cycle

very good points bro, i think alot of times people forget the additional benefits that aromasin carries beside the estrogen control like being friendlier on lipids than other AIs is also huge benefit as well. its a great compound and superior in its own right,

 

[Ricardo999]

very good points bro, i think alot of times people forget the additional benefits that aromasin carries beside the estrogen control like being friendlier on lipids than other AIs is also huge benefit as well. its a great compound and superior in its own right,

It is indeed superior