About Deca

[dakooc]

Thank you for your channel. You give clean, concise advice and no bullshit, and for that you're indisposable for alot of people. Again, thanks.

I've been training for 2 years and I'm going to be doing my first cycle and I'm thinking:

12 weeks:
Test 400mg
Deca 250mg
Dbol 30mg ED (first 4 weeks only)

I know you don't recommend Deca on a first cycle, but this is the only cycle I'm going to be able to do this year so I wanted to be very slightly more "yolo" this one. I'm sorry, but I'll also be meeting my EX and I so I hope you understand why I care about every single pound of muscle I can get.

I've been told to stay away from Deca because it messes with PCT, and someone told me that never use Deca if you're cycling, only use if you're cruising after. Is this true? Again, this is the only cycle I'm able to do this year (drug detection is not a concern)

Is there anything else you would substitute in here? I'm prone to hairloss, so that's one reason I'm also attracted to using NPP or Deca.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Let's start with your stats bro. Whats your age, height, weight, bf%? I'll be honest with you, 2 years is nothing in regards to training. You're really just getting started. No one here is going to say yes to that cycle as your first cycle. So many reasons why. Deca will shut you down hard. Dbol has a very high conversion to estrogen rate. You don't even know how your body handles estrogen. What if you're sensitive and because you don't know how you handle it, you can't properly dose your ai, are you ok with acne, bitch tits, not having your dick work, etc? I'm not trying to put you down brother, just giving you the truth. You're whole approach to this is not right. You're telling us you want to rush and run multiple compounds on your first cycle because you want to hopefully look good to impress your ex and "yolo"? Stupid reason to screw yourself over dude. We'll all here to help bud. Let us know those stats that I listed earlier and we'll get your setup for your goals without being reckless.

 

[MarkR]

I agree with maxxpursuit 100%.

 

[dakooc]

Let's start with your stats bro. Whats your age, height, weight, bf%? I'll be honest with you, 2 years is nothing in regards to training. You're really just getting started. No one here is going to say yes to that cycle as your first cycle. So many reasons why. Deca will shut you down hard. Dbol has a very high conversion to estrogen rate. You don't even know how your body handles estrogen. What if you're sensitive and because you don't know how you handle it, you can't properly dose your ai, are you ok with acne, bitch tits, not having your dick work, etc? I'm not trying to put you down brother, just giving you the truth. You're whole approach to this is not right. You're telling us you want to rush and run multiple compounds on your first cycle because you want to hopefully look good to impress your ex and "yolo"? Stupid reason to screw yourself over dude. We'll all here to help bud. Let us know those stats that I listed earlier and we'll get your setup for your goals without being reckless.

Thanks for the advice, this is what I needed to hear.

I'm Age 30, 5'8 barefoot at 165 lbs naked and 12% bodyfat, maybe 11%.

My dream goal for a cycle is to add 15lbs over those 3 months.. I know it's myopic to be focused on that. Shouldn't of said that shit about the ex, makes me sound desperate, although that is important to me. Is there a responsible way to run 1 compound along with a test E base for your first cycle, or is that just out of the question?

 

[buen]

Thanks for the advice, this is what I needed to hear.

I'm Age 30, 5'8 barefoot at 165 lbs naked and 12% bodyfat, maybe 11%.

My dream goal for a cycle is to add 15lbs over those 3 months.. I know it's myopic to be focused on that. Shouldn't of said that shit about the ex, makes me sound desperate, although that is important to me. Is there a responsible way to run 1 compound along with a test E base for your first cycle, or is that just out of the question?

More doesn't always give you more....on a first cycle "more" can often derail your goals....stick to a test only cycle and get a complete panel of blood work first

 

[cbbram00]

My first Test run was @ 400mg and I had a hard time dialing in my Aromasin because my estrogen was high. I couldn't imagine what it would have been like with Dbol... Stick with Test only your first run and add a new compound every cycle after... Trust me you'll learn a lot about your body this way.

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[RickRock]

You really need to just stick to test only for a first cycle brother. You can add more compounds further down the road. For a first cycle it's just simply not needed, as everyone gets phenomenal gains on test alone for their first. It makes no sense to throw a bunch of steroids in when you don't need them. You have to learn to crawl before you can walk.

If you want to add anything, add in some sarms but right now stay away from dbol and deca this first time.

Here is a good sarms stack you could add for more size and strength to your cycle

1-12 Test E or C 350mg per week
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg EOD

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/ultra-recomp-stack-12-weeks-2

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.


PCT
https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED




(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[Jake]

Thank you for your channel. You give clean, concise advice and no bullshit, and for that you're indisposable for alot of people. Again, thanks.

I've been training for 2 years and I'm going to be doing my first cycle and I'm thinking:

12 weeks:
Test 400mg
Deca 250mg
Dbol 30mg ED (first 4 weeks only)

I know you don't recommend Deca on a first cycle, but this is the only cycle I'm going to be able to do this year so I wanted to be very slightly more "yolo" this one. I'm sorry, but I'll also be meeting my EX and I so I hope you understand why I care about every single pound of muscle I can get.

I've been told to stay away from Deca because it messes with PCT, and someone told me that never use Deca if you're cycling, only use if you're cruising after. Is this true? Again, this is the only cycle I'm able to do this year (drug detection is not a concern)

Is there anything else you would substitute in here? I'm prone to hairloss, so that's one reason I'm also attracted to using NPP or Deca.

Whoever gave you all of that BS about deca is totally WRONG. So it is ok to use dbol on a first cycle but not deca.Give me a break dude. You know nothing...is that correct? A first cycle should be test only at 250mg. DONE.
Second cycle you can do 200/200 test deca DONE... notice no dbol in there yet? You could do wonders on 250 test or even 200/200 test/deca, but no dbo until much latterl. I realize that when there is a chance for love that you want to be impressive but don't do the above cycle. Love is a driving force, so if you are going to step into steroids then use 250test . And did you take into account your oct and pct? You have your aromasin? Clomid?

 

[cbbram00]

I agree with Jake on this one. I did Test @ 400 my first run and I wish I would have just done 250 - 300. I had a hard time controlling my estrogen because I was a rookie. I got greedy and learned the hard way. Everything turned out ok but I did get high bp, heart rate over 100, red face, and itchy nips. It's a marathon not a sprint. Take your time and do it right.

Make sure you have some Aromasin starting @ 12.5mg eod and assess...

Pharma Lady Rep

 

[Iwannagofaster]

Rick rock is spent on. Test only as an anabolic. You can gain in a crazy way with test as your first cycle.

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[JM750]

For sure run a test only cycle. If done right i think you will be pleased. I also agree. 2 yrs in this game is not really a lot. The best muscle you can gain is natural muscle

 

[Jake]

Ok brother...you posted and got a unanimous answer. A simple test 250-300 will give you good results on your development, plus if you get lucky with the ex you will have test backing you up.

 

[dakooc]

Whoever gave you all of that BS about deca is totally WRONG. So it is ok to use dbol on a first cycle but not deca.Give me a break dude. You know nothing...is that correct? A first cycle should be test only at 250mg. DONE.
Second cycle you can do 200/200 test deca DONE... notice no dbol in there yet? You could do wonders on 250 test or even 200/200 test/deca, but no dbo until much latterl. I realize that when there is a chance for love that you want to be impressive but don't do the above cycle. Love is a driving force, so if you are going to step into steroids then use 250test . And did you take into account your oct and pct? You have your aromasin? Clomid?

Thanks. Yes I have oct and pct in consideration. Aromasin and Nolvadex is what I have on hand. Does that sound decent to you?

Thanks for all the feedback here from everyone.

 

[Jake]

Thanks. Yes I have oct and pct in consideration. Aromasin and Nolvadex is what I have on hand. Does that sound decent to you?

Thanks for all the feedback here from everyone.

Ok if you decide to go test only at 250, then you need the aromasin on cycle and in pct.In pct you also need clomid. Nolva is good, but clomid is better and the combo of nolva and clomid is the best for pct

 

[TexasTrash]

My first Test run was @ 400mg and I had a hard time dialing in my Aromasin because my estrogen was high. I couldn't imagine what it would have been like with Dbol... Stick with Test only your first run and add a new compound every cycle after... Trust me you'll learn a lot about your body this way.

Pharma Lady Rep

My experience also shows why you should start with low to moderate test only for your first cycle. I ran 350mg test c and also had some trouble dialing in E2. Had I jumped in with dbol and such I would probably be wearing a bra right now, staring at my limp dick, wondering where all my "gains" (aka water weight) went. If you can't make enough gains on test only to impress anybody, most important yourself, than you have no business using AAS to begin with.

 

[Testdude63]

I'm with everyone else here. That way you can really get an accurate reading for how your body responds while limiting any possible sides.

 

[NJBro]

Brother your getting a lot of really good info here.
But I want to add something we fail to discuss most of the time.
In our quest to get "Swole" we forget that if we make good changes it will shine through no matter what.
With your stats if you run the cycle that Rick set you up with you will be very happy.
I would be willing to bet good money that even if you only gain 10lbs combined with the fat loss you will see if you get your diet dialed in. You will be loving the mirror! (I have a buddy who is 6' 200lbs and he looks huge. Because he is ripped.)
Remember this lifestyle is about health as much as it is looks. We do this to live a long healthy (good looking) life.

As far as your ex goes.

Don't worry about finding Mrs Right.
Concentrate on becoming Mr Right and she will find you.

 

[cbbram00]

Don't worry about finding Mrs Right.
Concentrate on becoming Mr Right and she will find you.

Best advice I've heard in a long time...


Pharma Lady Rep

 

[Jake]

Brother your getting a lot of really good info here.
But I want to add something we fail to discuss most of the time.
In our quest to get "Swole" we forget that if we make good changes it will shine through no matter what.
With your stats if you run the cycle that Rick set you up with you will be very happy.
I would be willing to bet good money that even if you only gain 10lbs combined with the fat loss you will see if you get your diet dialed in. You will be loving the mirror! (I have a buddy who is 6' 200lbs and he looks huge. Because he is ripped.)
Remember this lifestyle is about health as much as it is looks. We do this to live a long healthy (good looking) life.

As far as your ex goes.

Don't worry about finding Mrs Right.
Concentrate on becoming Mr Right and she will find you.

For sure bro. I am 6'2 and only 205-209. In clothes I just look kind of thin, but with no shirt on friends say I am huge. I am not what I consider huge. So being lean creates an illusion of bigness, but not with clothes on.

 

[21infantry]

My first two cycles where Test only and it was killer, my third cycle wast test and a orals Tbol and Epi then latter Winny switched as Epi was causing crazy shit. Added Decca to my Trt and I'm going to echo Dylan on this one, it has been just awesome.