69 year old on 250mg Test for 1 year

[CalRon]

Yes, the title is correct. My father just visited me over the weekend and told me he has been taking 250mg of Test Cypionate for at least one year.

Background of my father: 69 years old. 6'2", 240 lbs. Guessing 20-25% body fat? History of hypertension. Overall healthy individual. He was a Navy Seal in Vietnam. Super stubborn. Been working out his entire life 5 + days per week. Always taking plenty of herbs, vitamins, etc. His diet is not 100% on point and struggling to lose body fat. Looks bloated in neck, face, abdomen (which I now have a better understanding why).

An "ex-convict, biker gang" friend of his apparently sold my father some testosterone and told him to take 1cc per week. Didn't tell him anything more. My Dad didn't know about PCT, how to cycle properly, or even where to stick himself in the ass. Shit really pisses me off.

I set up an appointment to test his estradiol and testosterone levels. My Dad says his overall health is good and his blood pressure is under control through medication. I have a feeling he looks super bloated because of elevated estrogen. I gave him a some Aromasin, HCG, Clomid, and Nolvadex. My plan is to see where 250mg puts his total testosterone before I have him adjust his dose. I will then have him take Aromasin if his Estadiol is elevated and needs to be lowered back to normal range. I would like to get him started on an 8 week PCT. Im hoping to get his natural test regenerated while controlling estradiol. Once thats good to go, I recommended that he seek Testosterone Replacement Therapy under doctor supervision.

At my fathers age, his body is going to be less forgiving. Ive played around with the idea of helping him get into low dose test or even HGH because I know his body could use it, but I don't know if there would be any issues at his age. The last thing I want to do is to hurt my father in any sort of way, I don't think Id ever be able to live with myself.

Do you guys think my course of action is correct? Am I overlooking anything? Am I being too paranoid? Normally someone who takes steroids for the first time is recommended to try 250mg test per week for 12 weeks only, then PCT. My Dad has done this for well over one year. I know he's not concerned with having kids, but I know he doesn't want to be on TRT for the rest of his life ether.

I appreciate your help.

P.S. To clarify, I sent my Dad home with the drugs for PCT. I have NOT given him any drugs to consume. I want to see blood work first. And I never played doctor with my father by recommending testosterone of any kind, I've thought about it, but never acted on it. His buddy is the one who hooked him up with the steroids.

 

[CalRon]

Luckily, it sounds like his health is monitored pretty closes by the VA. I asked about his liver enzymes, Lipid profile, Prostate, and kidneys and he said everything looks healthy. Im hoping everything he told me is true. The doctors don't know he is taking testosterone. He also said his testosterone was considered within normal range "somewhere in the middle" before he stared taking testosterone so it doesn't sound like he was ever suffering from low T. He loves working out and wanted to feel youthful again. I don't think anyone can blame him for wanting to take some Test, but he needs to do it under doctor supervision since he has no freaking clue what he's doing.

 

[CalRon]

Yeah, I asked him if he wants to be on TRT for the rest of his life and he said "No." Since his natural T level was within normal range before he stared taking Test, I was hoping to do PCT and restore his level as high as possible. I don't think he will ever fully recover at this age either. If he was to show up tomorrow at a TRT center, I don't know if a doctor would help him since he is taking it without doctor supervision. If I was to help him restore test and it showed as below normal limits, I figured a doctor would do something then.

 

[CalRon]

Since he doesn't want to be on TRT forever, I thought it would be best to get bloodwork to check current levels. Then start PCT sometime soon. See how his natural T recovers. If it doesn't recover he will have to be on TRT for the rest of his life whether he likes it or not. Maybe he will get lucky and it will recover? Either way, I thought it wouldn't hurt to PCT and take things from there?

I know he is struggling to lose weight and I think its because his estrogen has probably been elevated for quite some time. I definitely want to see where his estrogen is before we make any changes.

 

[jp1957]

250mg, even with so so test, is still well over 1000(more like 1500), which is a long term health risk. trt usually shoots for 700-800. 250mg for a year is a year long blast, and with his high BF, age, etc is a major health risk.

 

[jp1957]

And after a year, at 69, he has an extremely low chance of restoring test production, or if my some miracle does, it will be barely above low end range.

 

[CalRon]

jp1957 - My thoughts exactly. I was pissed when he told me he's been on that shit for a full year. He has no clue what he's doing. He's just doing what his "buddy" tells him to do and his friend seems like a complete idiot as well. I understand my Dad's desire to keep up with the young guys, but this stuff is no joke especially at his age. I think he will probably have to stay on TRT for the rest of his life now, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but Im trying to find out the best way to handle the situation until he sees a specialist. Im thinking a TRT doctor may not help my Dad since he is taking Test without a prescription. He may have to come off completely before being seen by a doctor?

 

[CalRon]

Im thinking it may be best for my Dad to go to a TRT center and seek advice/treatment from a doctor in his current state. Hopefully they will help him even though he's been taking the stuff on his own. Id hate to have him take the PCT and end up doing damage to his health.

 

[RickRock]

Im thinking it may be best for my Dad to go to a TRT center and seek advice/treatment from a doctor in his current state. Hopefully they will help him even though he's been taking the stuff on his own. Id hate to have him take the PCT and end up doing damage to his health.

That's honestly your best course of action. Pct at 69 years old...and being on a year tells me has pretty much near zero chance of making a full recovery

 

[CalRon]

That's honestly your best course of action. Pct at 69 years old...and being on a year tells me has pretty much near zero chance of making a full recovery

Thanks for your help.

I found a TRT center near his home and sent him the info. I hope they will help him even though he is currently taking Test without doctor supervision.

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for your help.

I found a TRT center near his home and sent him the info. I hope they will help him even though he is currently taking Test without doctor supervision.

I'm sure they can help him out. Let us know how it turns out

 

[jp1957]

Most likely any endo will require him to go off of test and check natural levels, which is gonna really really really suck for your dad, cuz he'll feel like total shit for awhile. Then will most likely start around .75cc a week, check levels in a few months, and go from there. Just make sure he gets once a week, some less educated endo go every 2 weeks, which is bad.

A general rule of thumb is to multiple by 7 the dosage, that should ball park what you'd expect from test. Pharma grade would be higher generally.

If goes off of test, he'll need a most extensive PCT, 8-12w. And lots of prayers, but I doubt it will come back.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks for your help.

I found a TRT center near his home and sent him the info. I hope they will help him even though he is currently taking Test without doctor supervision.

thats the best plan and smartest way bro

 

[jp1957]

The problem with those TRT clinics, is they are big money generators, require you to only take their very expensive bloodwork tests, generally have to have them do the injections, their test vials, etc. can easily be 600$++ a month. We saw one place a patient came in from, their bloodwork test was 600$

 

[RickRock]

The problem with those TRT clinics, is they are big money generators, require you to only take their very expensive bloodwork tests, generally have to have them do the injections, their test vials, etc. can easily be 600$++ a month. We saw one place a patient came in from, their bloodwork test was 600$

Many are like that unfortunately. You just have to find out the ones that look out for your best interests instead of lining their pockets

 

[CalRon]

The problem with those TRT clinics, is they are big money generators, require you to only take their very expensive bloodwork tests, generally have to have them do the injections, their test vials, etc. can easily be 600$++ a month. We saw one place a patient came in from, their bloodwork test was 600$

It's very possible that he may pay top dollar for TRT, but he should have thought about that beforehand. He put himself and my mom in a shitty situation. Luckily his health is still okay, but at his age anything can happen and happen FAST. Worse case scenario, he dies due to some health issue the doctors find related to aas abuse and life insurance doesnt pay out. That will leave my mother in a VERY Tough situation.

At least under medical supervision, his health will be monitored closely, and hopefully he will feel just as good as he does right now without all the other risks involved. Hell, I would be willing to help pay the monthly fee if it thats what it took.

But like I said in my original post, my Dad is a very stubborn man, so it may take an act of God for him to see a doctor. But Im doing the best I can to steer him in the right direction. The first thing Im having him do is get his estradiol and testosterone levels tested to see where he sits with 250mg test per week. Hopefully he's somewhere close to normal range for a healthy male, but I have a feeling hes going to be 3-4x that.

 

[CalRon]

My Dad's bloodwork came in. He took 250mg Test on a Monday and got his blood drawn on Friday.

Estradiol: 85 pg/ml
Total Testosterone: 1432 ng/dl

He doesnt sound interested in seeing a TRT doc nomatter what I tell him. His E2 is obviously way high. I'm thinking he should take 12.5mg Aromasin EOD for a couple weeks to see if it will get him within range. Probably lower testosterone to 125mg per week as well.

Obviously Im not a doctor and I cant get him to go to a doctor. It's not safe for him to continue running 250mg/week the way he has been the last year.

Do you guys think taking Aromasin and lowering Test is a good solution for the time being?

 

[RickRock]

Yes, it cut that test dose in half and start aromasin at 12.5mg EOD. Run that aromasin dose for 2 weeks, then cut it down to 6.25mg EOD and continue along with the lowered test dose

 

[CalRon]

Yes, it cut that test dose in half and start aromasin at 12.5mg EOD. Run that aromasin dose for 2 weeks, then cut it down to 6.25mg EOD and continue along with the lowered test dose

Thanks for your help.

I just got off the phone with him and told him the results. He is willing to drop the dose to 125mg/week, but doesnt want to take the AI. He doesnt like taking too many things at once and wants to see if lowering the test will lower the estrogen as well. He would like to take 125mg/week for a couple months and recheck bloodwork.

I told him his estogen will lower with time, but his test may lower faster than estrogen which will throw off the ratio and he may start to experience side effects of high estrogen. Is my way of thinking correct? Is it worth trying to convenice him to take the AI? Is there anything else he may experience from lowering the test without control estrogen that Im not thinking of?

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for your help.

I just got off the phone with him and told him the results. He is willing to drop the dose to 125mg/week, but doesnt want to take the AI. He doesnt like taking too many things at once and wants to see if lowering the test will lower the estrogen as well. He would like to take 125mg/week for a couple months and recheck bloodwork.

I told him his estogen will lower with time, but his test may lower faster than estrogen which will throw off the ratio and he may start to experience side effects of high estrogen. Is my way of thinking correct? Is it worth trying to convenice him to take the AI? Is there anything else he may experience from lowering the test without control estrogen that Im not thinking of?

It's true that his estrogen will lower over time, but it's hard saying how much or how quickly. It's really on him, but he's already over range. If he doesn't want to take the AI I'd have him recheck test and estrogen levels in 4-6 weeks