2nd cycle: test and deca cycle feedback please!

[Highjason]

Hey guys, after quite a bit of research, im gonna start my test deca cycle tmr!!

Im 27, been training for 9 years (3 years with proper diet and squats and techniques and stuff), and started my test only cycle this may~jul. I was 85kg (6% bf) in the beginng and got to 90kg by the end of the cycle. (With about 8~10% bf?)

Currently, im 88kg (8% bf), and gonna add deca into the cycle. My goal is bulking, and aiming to hit about 93~95kg by the end of cycle with about the same bf.

My cycle is:
Wk1~10
Mon test 250
Tue deca 250
Thu test 250
Fri deca 125
Wk11~12
Mon test 250
Thu test 250
**the reason for 125mg deca on friday is that my deca has 250mg per 1ml, and i dont wanna do 2 shots of 1ml a week which is gonna be 500mg in total. I found that too 1:1 ratio of test and deca is not optimal.

Wk13& 14 nothing

Wk15&16
Clomid 100mg ed
Nolva 40mg ed
Wk17&18
Clomid 50mg ed
Nolva 20mg ed

How does my cycle look like?
Last cycle with test only i only did nolva pct. This time i have clomid and not completely sure about the dosage.

Any feedback will be greatly help! Thanks bros!

 

[44YOGearHead]

I'm outta town, but gotta say this I see no aromasin, no caber or prami (estrogen and prolactin protection), no mention of hcg and your pct is a wreck as far as doses. I don't feel like looking up your weight since I'm using my phone, but bro this needs a major overhaul brother.

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[Highjason]

Is AI a must? I didint use any AI on my first cycle (Test only) and didnt have any sideeffect. And also hcg. I read some articles and some say AI is helpful while other say its only needed when juicing mr.olympia level steroids

 

[Saiyan]

Each person is different as far as dosing. But generally, an AI is absolutely necessary. Do you want to chance gyno and other sides?
What are Olympia level steroids? I need a low dose AI once a week even on 150mg test. Taking 500mg, I take the the same dose AI eod.
Hcg isn't necessary but could potentially help transition into PCT correctly.


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[Cwrose1]

Hes correct just because one doesnt need aromasin doesnt mean you wont

 

[BigBusiness]

[emoji115] [emoji115] agreed with all of the above[emoji115] [emoji115] plus you need to run deca longer than 10 weeks my friend, because of the long ester attached to deca. I would run it 16 weeks at the minimum. I do like how you cut the deca out a month before you PCT.

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[EZ_E]

Not sure about your dosing schedule, you're saying you've run test & deca before @ a 1:1 ratio?

Also you have to be realistic, you can't expect to bulk & staying @ the same BF%...there is nothing wrong with adding some bodyfat and water weight, you need it to move bigger weight. Build it 1st then shape it, then shred it.

 

[Roidrage718]

Why are u pinning the test and deca on different days when they can be done together? You're eventually going to regret that when scar tissue builds up.

And you def need Aromasin throughout cycle and pct with some caber on hand just in case...

 

[DTA707]

You need an AI and prolactin control. Why not do .8ml Deca 2x ew and inject it with the test?

 

[DylanGemelli]

you absolutely need an ai here.. if you dont, then your estrogen/prolactin ratio is going to take a huge hit and you are going to learn the hard way... the fact your actually asking as though its a burden or something to use supports is EXACTLY what gives steroids a bad name and EXACTLY why people get hurt... you have a very incomplete pct and you ran an even worse pct previously... its quite reckless to be honest... no ancillaries and a shit pct... over time, by doing this now, you are going to suffer and its going to be a long hard lesson... you need a FULL and complete pct... i already know your going to ask why you need to add aromasin, and the two sarms... so i'll just explain before you even ask... you need to prevent any possibility of rebound in pct, which aromasin is the best at, not to mention it increases igf levels up to 70% which is HUGE for recovery...

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…



here is a link to purchase the entire pct you need followed by the layout...

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=platinum


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Highjason]

thanks for the feedback bro! I will keep all those in mind!

 

[44YOGearHead]

thanks for the feedback bro! I will keep all those in mind!

Don't keep it in mind... exercise it. We've pointed out so many ways in which your proposed cycle was ate up like bubble gum. Disregard advice at your own risk bro.

 

[Highjason]

Don't keep it in mind... exercise it. We've pointed out so many ways in which your proposed cycle was ate up like bubble gum. Disregard advice at your own risk bro.

ah another quick question bro.

my friend is doing 1:1 ratio test deca cycle at 500mg 500mg / wk.
It's his 5th week, no signs of side effects, and he feels great.

He's tempting me to go 1:1 ratio of 500/500, but for some reason i don't feel it's right. i feel that deca should ALWAYS be lower than test.

Whats your opinion on 500/375 (test/deca) vs 500/500?

 

[bodean30]

It's largely dependent on the person. Some people run the dosages the same. Some run test higher. Some people only run 200mg test with 600mg+ deca. You'll be fine no matter which route you take as long as you're running exogenous testosterone with deca.

If this is your first cycle with deca then you may be wise to run it on the lower side and see how your body reacts to it. I wouldn't suggest going above 400mg deca for the first time.

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[Highjason]

It's largely dependent on the person. Some people run the dosages the same. Some run test higher. Some people only run 200mg test with 600mg+ deca. You'll be fine no matter which route you take as long as you're running exogenous testosterone with deca.

If this is your first cycle with deca then you may be wise to run it on the lower side and see how your body reacts to it. I wouldn't suggest going above 400mg deca for the first time.

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Thanks for your genuine feedback

 

[DTA707]

ah another quick question bro.

my friend is doing 1:1 ratio test deca cycle at 500mg 500mg / wk.
It's his 5th week, no signs of side effects, and he feels great.

He's tempting me to go 1:1 ratio of 500/500, but for some reason i don't feel it's right. i feel that deca should ALWAYS be lower than test.

Whats your opinion on 500/375 (test/deca) vs 500/500?

There's nothing wrong at all with running them as long as you control prolactin. I'm running test and deca at 500 each now and not having issues but I've got my AI and prolactin control dialed in. I wouldn't go above 400mg tops on your first deca cycle and lower would be better. When introducing something new it's better to start low.

 

[DylanGemelli]

i would not be running deca at 500 whatsoever... the highest i would go is 400/400 and YOU MUST control both estrogen or prolactin... your friend is fine right now because deca is finally just getting going.. its a very long ester but if he's not taking care of the things i told you, he's going to be VERY sorry with the side effects he endures... its not worth it nor necessary to run it 500... dont be one of the guys that has to learn the hard way

 

[EZ_E]

Your boy sounds like he's subscribing to the "more is better" theory.

With AAS that's bro-science, more is NOT always better. Keep the doses at what works. When you go to the gas station you fill up the tank, you don't over fill it.

 

[DylanGemelli]

please let me know your understanding everything bro because this could get out of control very fast and i guarantee you that's the last thing you want to have happen with deca use...

 

[Highjason]

please let me know your understanding everything bro because this could get out of control very fast and i guarantee you that's the last thing you want to have happen with deca use...

Thanks bro! So talked to my supplier few hours ago, and he said i still dont need an AI. He believes that AI is for people who go 1000mg of test a week or more. Rather, he recommended me to use HCG. I watched ur recent video with HCG. But not too sure i understood 100%. Is HCG completely necesarry? Thanks always man!