With the results some guys are getting here have him do some sarms and then consider juice when he is middle to late 20s. You want to go as far as you can naturally first.
Good luck.
21 year old is starting test
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With the results some guys are getting here have him do some sarms and then consider juice when he is middle to late 20s. You want to go as far as you can naturally first.
Good luck.
rockmfhudd
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ya I know but SARMS aint cool man, it aint "roids" and he is all about being cool and people asking him if he is on roids. like I said very immature. I almost bought him some myself but I know he isn't dedicated enuff to continue a good schedule on dosing. I told him the other day to eat eat eat and he said man I can only eat 2 times a day. so we shall see what happens with him I did ask him yesterday to make sure he had some protection and a pct on hand in case his tits started to milk, and he started to get gyno. He didn't answer my text LOL maybe I can scare him that way to not do it
What kind of 21 year old wants to shut down their entire HPT axis, just when things are just starting to get interesting via Mother Nature?
I swear those guys end up like Jeff Seid with huge neck-down bodies and weird undeveloped baby faces. Lol.
If he doesn't have dead balls or a pituitary problem, he's still growing naturally at an alarming rate and is already flooded with hormones he needs.
I swear those guys end up like Jeff Seid with huge neck-down bodies and weird undeveloped baby faces. Lol.
If he doesn't have dead balls or a pituitary problem, he's still growing naturally at an alarming rate and is already flooded with hormones he needs.
21infantry
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Tough one dude, I don't think their is a easy answer to this one. I would ask him straight up, when is the last time he made a good decision? Kind of put shits in perspective, its brutally honest and hits a nerve.
Your in a tuff spot, I know you want the best for him but he sounds like a kid that's going to do it no matter what anyone says and that's sad. It also sounds like even if you show him how to pin and do things the right way he's going to abuse it sooner rather than later and want to add more and more. I'm glad you talked him out of the Tren. I'd say, as you've done, tell him about shut down at his age and the possibility that shit may not bounce back. This was years ago I had been lifting a couple years and I learned of M1T a pro-hormone, I just wanted to get big and knew nothing about shutdown or PCT and no one who told me about the product informed me of this. Long story short, I didn't bounce. Good luck I truly hope he will smarten up for his sake.
Only eat twice a day? Oh man this kid is so far from needing to try using gear. This is pretty worrisome. You don't eat you don't grow. Many 6 or more is best, but if he is not at least eating 4 he is going to have a tough time regardless of how much gear he uses.
What's worrysome most of all is that if he doesn't already know how to train and eat properly, test alone is not going to be the magic liquid gold he expects, and that will start a slippery slope of stacking some very harsh compounds as a spur-on effect trying to find the "easy way out". We've all seen these kids everywhere. They don't even ever up the weight, they just up the dose. And do a lot of damage in the process.
rockmfhudd
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yep thanks fellas for the thoughts but I agree with most now I will say he is a beast in the gym and knows how to train. but the eating I have already discussed the eating with him and always have you eat to feed not for taste. we shall see how this goes I will keep you updated. I did ask him if he had all he needed so he don't get bitch tits and milky tits and it took him 12 hours to respond tot he text so if I can just keep those reverse psychology things going maybe it will scare the shit outta him
medeiros13
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I really feel for you brother. My kids are much younger but I can't imagine being in your situation. Like most have said, if he's 21, he thinks he has the whole world figured out and YOU'RE dumb and old. That's how I felt at 21 and I had a ton of respect for my parents too. Unfortunately, from the way you're describing the whole situation, I think your best bet is to hope that he gets too scared to pin himself. You know that's a major factor.....look at all the oral only threads that we see here. Heck, I was scared to pin myself and went the oral route for awhile too.....and I'm twice your kids age 
We all know that its not that big of a deal and once you get over the initial anxiety, its all over with.
I think you stick to your guns and continue to tell him why you disapprove. If he actually starts pinning, then at that point, I think you need to keep him safe. Do your best to make sure he knows where to get needles, pin sites, proper dosage, pct, etc. You know, the things we all know from being here.....Good luck with all of this. I wish you the best.
We all know that its not that big of a deal and once you get over the initial anxiety, its all over with.I think you stick to your guns and continue to tell him why you disapprove. If he actually starts pinning, then at that point, I think you need to keep him safe. Do your best to make sure he knows where to get needles, pin sites, proper dosage, pct, etc. You know, the things we all know from being here.....Good luck with all of this. I wish you the best.
rockmfhudd
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I really feel for you brother. My kids are much younger but I can't imagine being in your situation. Like most have said, if he's 21, he thinks he has the whole world figured out and YOU'RE dumb and old. That's how I felt at 21 and I had a ton of respect for my parents too. Unfortunately, from the way you're describing the whole situation, I think your best bet is to hope that he gets too scared to pin himself. You know that's a major factor.....look at all the oral only threads that we see here. Heck, I was scared to pin myself and went the oral route for awhile too.....and I'm twice your kids age
I think you stick to your guns and continue to tell him why you disapprove. If he actually starts pinning, then at that point, I think you need to keep him safe. Do your best to make sure he knows where to get needles, pin sites, proper dosage, pct, etc. You know, the things we all know from being here.....Good luck with all of this. I wish you the best.
I did tell him I do not condone it, and the reasons why and I will keep saying it to him but not badger him about it cuz I would love for him to come to me for advice and help if he needs it so it is a fine line brothers I know that for sure. I just pray that he makes the right decision, is the right one, the one I want or his decision? I will keep you guys posted. the prob is the gear head selling him the shit and the influence he has on him but he has always been a follower not a leader. plus I think a huge problem is he knows I am so in his mind he is probably like fuck him he does it why cant I
Jake
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We have a very much younger brother that wanted to do the same at 19. We talked him into sarms and he seems very happy. Of course all 4 of us had to tell him that sarms was all we used.
He has an anger problem, and happy to say the sarms seem to calm him down. He loves that they taste like shit, and carries on with us about how nasty they are. Guess everybody just wants to fit in.
He has an anger problem, and happy to say the sarms seem to calm him down. He loves that they taste like shit, and carries on with us about how nasty they are. Guess everybody just wants to fit in.
rockmfhudd
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yep I remember when we talked about that. its awesome that it has made him feel like he "fit in" with you knuckleheads lol is he working out with yall now?
Jake
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Now that he knows he is one of us, he has moved on to workout with his own friends, which is good because he is still very young and we are middle aged. So he knows we are here if he needs us. I just hope the friends don't start talking steroids, because I don't want to ruin the fun he is having.
Now I have my daughter asking about aas. Sarms are the gateway...lol. She sees the benefit and now is thinking.Not a chance unless she moves 10,000 miles away..lol. She has to pay for that 12k$ bike you know. I can see the lightbulb in her head.
rockmfhudd
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well does she know granpa and grandma are hitting the good stuff? lol that's why
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