Cannot lower Estradiol

Long story short:

Full disclosure I am likely 20% BF or a bit more. please no lectures. I know, I know. I'm working on it. Please no shit from those of you who claim 5% BF causing I'm calling BS on your claim of 5%.

Anyway been on test cyp 250 twice a week. Serum test in 5,ooo range. making gains.

My prolactin, FSH and LH are in the toilet as they should be.. Niples a bit sensitive? Maybe not sure about that.

My E2(estradiol) has been running 135 and now in 120 range?

I started wth Aromasin 12.5 EOD and after first labs went to 12.5 ED.

Now just before repeat labs I upped to 50 mg for 2 days to see if I could get the E2 down. it is still too high!

My gear is from a well know domestic source on the board but wondering if this could be the issue?

I have ordered some Aromasin from a different source.

Excess aromatization due to high BF? I am also taking some Provi so maybe this is freeing up even more test which is aromatizing?

Step one: reduce body fat. I'm on it!!!

Step 2: ???

Morning wood is hit and miss but with Viagra no issues in the bedroom.. Just concerned about the high estradiol as I should be.
I am doing labs to keep things in check but honestly not sure if I should increase Aromasin even more or say fuck it go off cycle, recover and start all over again.

I appreciate input from those more experienced than i however please don't flame me on the BF issue. it's bad enough that look in the mirror every day.

Thanks for the help.

Last thought: Decrease test to say 250-300 a week to lower serum level? i'm thinking I'm still going to aromatize but maybe less so??

This is one of many reasons we don't recommend cycling for those with a higher bodyfat. You will aromatize the test into estrogen at a substantially higher rate than someone that is in shape. That means you will have more estrogen problems, higher chance of gyno, and you will get far less gains than somebody lean because you have less usable test on cycle versus estrogen.

My advice is to come off and recover immediately.

RickRock said:

This is one of many reasons we don't recommend cycling for those with a higher bodyfat. You will aromatize the test into estrogen at a substantially higher rate than someone that is in shape. That means you will have more estrogen problems, higher chance of gyno, and you will get far less gains than somebody lean because you have less usable test on cycle versus estrogen.

My advice is to come off and recover immediately.

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Appreciate the advice given in a non-judgemental fashion. I was thinking come off recover lose the BF and start over.

Thanks again.

Even with higher body fat you should be able to keep estro in check. Maybe your AI is bunk???

BigBusiness said:

Even with higher body fat you should be able to keep estro in check. Maybe your AI is bunk???

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BigB:

That is what I was wondering. One would think if I took say 25 or 50 mg daily I would knock the shit out of the aromatase enzyme. Suicidal no less!

Just not making sense. i have ordered some Aromasin from PharmaLady as her gear is to my knowledge GTG.

While I agree a lower body fat is preferred and I am so close to ending the cycle as Rick suggested part of me (the stubborn part) says increase the Aromasin get the estradiol in check and up the aerobics. i am watching the diet. not weighing macros but doing lean meat, brown rice, MTS protein shakes etc. Minimal fats. I admit I need more cardio and even have a Concept 2 rowing machine sitting at home which needs to be used more often.

I cannot find any reference which discusses "maximal" dose of Aromasin but as you suggest with enough Aromasin I should be able to reduce the E2 to respectable level.

If I take the Pharmalady Aromasin and my E2 plummets how best to deal with my domestic source? Not looking for refund but need to let them know that they "may' have an issue with the Aromasin. They are well known on this board and have not heard anything negative. Just let them know my experience?

drjay9051 said:

BigB:

That is what I was wondering. One would think if I took say 25 or 50 mg daily I would knock the shit out of the aromatase enzyme. Suicidal no less!

Just not making sense. i have ordered some Aromasin from PharmaLady as her gear is to my knowledge GTG.

While I agree a lower body fat is preferred and I am so close to ending the cycle as Rick suggested part of me (the stubborn part) says increase the Aromasin get the estradiol in check and up the aerobics. i am watching the diet. not weighing macros but doing lean meat, brown rice, MTS protein shakes etc. Minimal fats. I admit I need more cardio and even have a Concept 2 rowing machine sitting at home which needs to be used more often.

I cannot find any reference which discusses "maximal" dose of Aromasin but as you suggest with enough Aromasin I should be able to reduce the E2 to respectable level.

If I take the Pharmalady Aromasin and my E2 plummets how best to deal with my domestic source? Not looking for refund but need to let them know that they "may' have an issue with the Aromasin. They are well known on this board and have not heard anything negative. Just let them know my experience?

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Most definitely takes this up with the rep. If you have taken a AI it should drop!!! Especially with a higher than normal dose, Plus you have bloods to prove it's not working

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two things ive noticed you got going on here. 1 having an elevated BF% you are aromatizing at a much higher rate due to bodyfat which will require a much higher dosage of AI to control E2. 2 you stated you tanked your PRL why ? you need to have PRL in range as this will have a direct impact on your estrogen. So either you lower your BF and bring PRL into range or up your AI dosage. At your BF you probably require 12.5-25mg ED maybe even a little more and can take up to 2 weeks to bring down

And what time of day are you taking your blood work ?

Want your E to drop quickly ? this one of the few times i would ever recommend Letro for a short time use

[9oNe6]BillyD@kid said:

Want your E to drop quickly ? this one of the few times i would ever recommend Letro for a short time use

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Agreed!!

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BigBusiness said:

Agreed!!

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now if letro doesnt drop that E i dunno lol... we got a situation here

I would try a different source of aromasin first. Letro I'm not so keen on using unless you have gyno because it's just so powerful that you could easily overshoot your estrogen and make it really hard to dial in. I consider letro for emergency use only.

Just having elevated E alone doesn't warrant letro in my opinion

"Full disclosure I am likely 20% BF or a bit more. please no lectures. I know, I know. I'm working on it."

seriously...you say you know...but you really must not believe it.....there is no other way to explain your actions
there a right way to do things and you somehow self justify doing things other than the way you know is right

"it's bad enough that look in the mirror every day."....and when you do...that voice inside your heads says what?.....HEY..."I really need to do some steroids".....
Not.... "I've really got to get committed to a daily cardo program and truly count my calories"

And I don't want to hear any shit......I went from over 35% BF to 14% using DIET and CARDO only....all the while being low natural test (Hypogonalal).... I had a pituitary tumor that had yet to be diagnosed
So...don't BS a BS'er......Your 20% BF and having problems because your aren't truly and seriously committed....(LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT)

Yes...you should stop your cycle and PCT...it is the fastest way to bring down your estrogen

you realize that high estrogen make you fatter...right?
counter productive...kind of one of the reasons steroids aren't effective with high BF

[9oNe6]BillyD@kid said:

two things ive noticed you got going on here. 1 having an elevated BF% you are aromatizing at a much higher rate due to bodyfat which will require a much higher dosage of AI to control E2. 2 you stated you tanked your PRL why ? you need to have PRL in range as this will have a direct impact on your estrogen. So either you lower your BF and bring PRL into range or up your AI dosage. At your BF you probably require 12.5-25mg ED maybe even a little more and can take up to 2 weeks to bring down

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Bloods at about 10 AM. As far as tanking Prolactin I was taking Caber q 3 days as i did a short run of Tren but quickly realized I am no fan of tren with the sweats, trensomnia etc. never again. Tren belongs with DNP as far as I am concerned.

Was not aware of need for higher prolactin as you are suggesting. Thought i was smart, need to get smarter.
Still thinking Aromasin is not good quality or not Aromasin.

buen said:

"Full disclosure I am likely 20% BF or a bit more. please no lectures. I know, I know. I'm working on it."

seriously...you say you know...but you really must not believe it.....gthere is no other way to explain your actions

Yes...you should stop your cycle and PCT...it is the fastest way to bring down your estrogen

you realize that high estrogen make you fatter...right?

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Understood, Buen:

Call me a dick. i fucked up. Still would you agree the Aromasin at some point "should" reduce the E2?

Not saying it's the way to go just saying it should reduce the estradiol.

drjay9051 said:

Bloods at about 10 AM. As far as tanking Prolactin I was taking Caber q 3 days as i did a short run of Tren but quickly realized I am no fan of tren with the sweats, trensomnia etc. never again. Tren belongs with DNP as far as I am concerned.

Was not aware of need for higher prolactin as you are suggesting. Thought i was smart, need to get smarter.
Still thinking Aromasin is not good quality or not Aromasin.

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They have a direct correlation with each other :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6800769

and from what studies are showing is that progesterone actually controls and lowers estrogen, so having a tanked PRL would not give you the benefits of estrogen control that comes from progesterone

there are lots of good information on PRL, estrogen relations dive in and research

drjay9051 said:

Understood, Buen:

Call me a dick. i fucked up. Still would you agree the Aromasin at some point "should" reduce the E2?

Not saying it's the way to go just saying it should reduce the estradiol.

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it can if you can find the required dose for your situation, eventually if you take enough it should drop your estrogen. You just dont know what that dose is, your armoatizing faster than the AI can lower your E. Or as others have stated maybe quality of AI ? possibly