Intermittent fasting and sarms...?

[Julskee]

Hey Bros, I'm Currently doing IF just curious if anyone has any knowledge if taking sarms first thing in the morning while in my fasted state would it kick me out of the fast? due to the alcohol in the sarms? I know it's only minimal the amount you will be taking in off a four different sarms... Just curious what you guys may think.. Cheers buds

 

[Testdude63]

Hey Bros, I'm Currently doing IF just curious if anyone has any knowledge if taking sarms first thing in the morning while in my fasted state would it kick me out of the fast? due to the alcohol in the sarms? I know it's only minimal the amount you will be taking in off a four different sarms... Just curious what you guys may think.. Cheers buds

No, SARMS aren't food so not to worry . It's so minimal since you're taking such a small dose.

 

[RickRock]

Hey Bros, I'm Currently doing IF just curious if anyone has any knowledge if taking sarms first thing in the morning while in my fasted state would it kick me out of the fast? due to the alcohol in the sarms? I know it's only minimal the amount you will be taking in off a four different sarms... Just curious what you guys may think.. Cheers buds

Absolutely not bro. I did intermittent fasting for about 3 years with great success and always dosed my sarms in the morning.

I have quite a bit of knowledge and expertise on the subject of IF, and the very miniscule amounts of calories in a ml or two of sarms will absolutely not cause a significant enough insulin release to take you out of a fasted state. It's for the same reason that consuming BCAAs during a fast is also fine even though there is a small caloric value attached to them.

There's no worries bro

 

[Julskee]

Yeah that's what I was thinking just though I wouldn't double check... But with saying taking amino acids I have been told by a good source that the leucine in the amino acids singles the brain saying you have consumed food so I'll probably stay clear of them when in my fasted state... Thanks for the response though Rick

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[Julskee]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPg76sleXv0

Good watch

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[RickRock]

Yeah that's what I was thinking just though I wouldn't double check... But with saying taking amino acids I have been told by a good source that the leucine in the amino acids singles the brain saying you have consumed food so I'll probably stay clear of them when in my fasted state... Thanks for the response though Rick

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It doesn't quite work that way with Luecine bro. I'm not sure who your credible source is, but it's been widely accepted to use BCAAs during fasted training by the foremost knowledgable experts in the IF field, including Martin Berkhan.

It's been shown scientifically in studies to give an insignificant insulin release that will not bring you out of a fasted state. I'm not sure if you train fasted or not, but the protein synthesis qualities and anti-catabolic properties alone would out weigh any potential negatives.

 

[RickRock]

Ok now I see that Jim Stoppani is your credible source. I certainly don't agree with him, and I'm not alone there. He's pretty much on his own with his thinking on IF in regards to BCAAs and this video.

There's dozens of other knowledgeable professionals that completely disagree with that assessment.

 

[RickRock]

Here's a great read on the importance of this protein intake during the fast from Martin Berkhan

http://www.leangains.com/2009/12/pre-workout-protein-boosts-metabolism.html

 

[Julskee]

I'll have a read thanks Rick

 

[RickRock]

I'll have a read thanks Rick

No problem at all bro. Im just giving you a different perspective you may not be aware of, so you can make your own educated decision on how you want to implement your own fasted training.

 

[Julskee]

No problem at all bro. Im just giving you a different perspective you may not be aware of, so you can make your own educated decision on how you want to implement your own fasted training.

Yeah more info is better then none! I find IF to be so helpful! If you don't mind do you want to elaborate on what you found to be most optimal For yourself?

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[RickRock]

Yeah more info is better then none! I find IF to be so helpful! If you don't mind do you want to elaborate on what you found to be most optimal For yourself?

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I pretty much followed martin Berkhans Lean Gains style of IF to a T. I did a 16 hour fast each day with an 8 hour feeding window, with BCAAs taken preworkout, post workout , and every 2 hours until breaking fast. Them my fast breaking meal was usually 60% of my caloric intake for the day with no less than 100-150g of protein in that meal and most of my carbs for the day at 200g plus. I ate at a slight surplus on workout days and a slight deficit during rest days.

That diet totally transformed my physique

 

[Julskee]

I pretty much followed martin Berkhans Lean Gains style of IF to a T. I did a 16 hour fast each day with an 8 hour feeding window, with BCAAs taken preworkout, post workout , and every 2 hours until breaking fast. Them my fast breaking meal was usually 60% of my caloric intake for the day with no less than 100-150g of protein in that meal and most of my carbs for the day at 200g plus. I ate at a slight surplus on workout days and a slight deficit during rest days.

That diet totally transformed my physique

nice nice.. Yeah it does have an impact on your body! Just curious with my bcass it's 1:1:10 ten being leucine I know I asked about bcaas kicking you out of fast do you reckon cos leucine is at 10 that's possible?

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[Julskee]

This looks pretty familiar to how I did IF this past summer. I only did IF for a little over 2 months but it helped in many ways, especially appetite control. I supplemented with HMB, yohimbine and citocoline before my workouts. I did IF for weight loss, but I'm likely to incorporate it again in the future. Was there a particular reason you stopped IF RR?

Yeah that's true... Yohimbine hcl is pretty potenet I know you have to build up a tolerance to it but easy to go ever the edge on it... How did you find the yohimbine what did you get your dose up too?

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[RickRock]

This looks pretty familiar to how I did IF this past summer. I only did IF for a little over 2 months but it helped in many ways, especially appetite control. I supplemented with HMB, yohimbine and citocoline before my workouts. I did IF for weight loss, but I'm likely to incorporate it again in the future. Was there a particular reason you stopped IF RR?

I really didnt stop it completely. I still do IF on weekends and some other rest days, but I pretty much strictly stick to a 6 meal per day plan through the week because,my goal is aimed more towards muscle gain than anything. I am in single digits as for bodyfat so I don't the IF all the time for fat loss

 

[craig wilson]

Replying to an old thread as I used the search function. I have a bottle of GW on the way and have recently been reading about the intermittent fasting. The benefits of this method of eating on the hormones of the body look pretty good. Big boost in Growth Hormone as well as Testosterone. My question is, will GW accelerate the fat loss process with this style of eating? Seems like the obvious answer is yes as GW helps the body shift to burning fat for fuel. So, if you combine GW with an eating style that allows the body to tap into body fat, ding ding, we have a winner. Am I oversimplifying this?

Thanks

 

[DylanGemelli]

Replying to an old thread as I used the search function. I have a bottle of GW on the way and have recently been reading about the intermittent fasting. The benefits of this method of eating on the hormones of the body look pretty good. Big boost in Growth Hormone as well as Testosterone. My question is, will GW accelerate the fat loss process with this style of eating? Seems like the obvious answer is yes as GW helps the body shift to burning fat for fuel. So, if you combine GW with an eating style that allows the body to tap into body fat, ding ding, we have a winner. Am I oversimplifying this?

Thanks

your not oversimplifying anything bro and you are right on with what your asking... I am not personally one that can do IF because of all the intense training throughout the day and i like to keep my metabolism burning every hour or two but in general, yes, this will absolutely work well with GW... RickRock is one of the most well versed I know when it comes to IF and if you have specific questions on the diet, he would be the most ideal I know to speak with... In terms of GW though, yes, absolutely it would work well in this type of diet..

 

[craig wilson]

Dylan

Thanks for the reply. Interesting response though with respect to keeping the metabolism burning. The IF guys will tell you ( going by what I read) that eating every couple hours does nothing for keeping the metabolism burning when compared to IF. However, eating every few hours does lower Testosterone and Growth Hormone. Now training needs, that is a different story. With my schedule, I work out in the evening so I can get a nice 16 to 17 hour fasting in, and then workout during the re-feed window.

Thanks again. I'm pumped to add GW to the mix.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Dylan

Thanks for the reply. Interesting response though with respect to keeping the metabolism burning. The IF guys will tell you ( going by what I read) that eating every couple hours does nothing for keeping the metabolism burning when compared to IF. However, eating every few hours does lower Testosterone and Growth Hormone. Now training needs, that is a different story. With my schedule, I work out in the evening so I can get a nice 16 to 17 hour fasting in, and then workout during the re-feed window.

Thanks again. I'm pumped to add GW to the mix.

yes and the ones that eat every few hours will say IF slows metabolism etc... there's an argument both ways... i do know this, FOR ME, every few hours has seemed to be "ok" in terms of my metabolism going strong and staying lean... so i'll go ahead and stick with that as well as the thousands of clients i have had do that over the past decade who drop abundances of weight etc... certain things work better for different people but i'll stick with that one... you can try and see and im sure you would have success one way or the other bro... your going to love GW and adding it to any mix will heighten what your able to the highest extent...

 

[SaladTossingBitch]

J Int Soc Sports Nutr, 2011 vol. 8 pp. 4

International Society of Sports Nutrition position stand: meal frequency.

La Bounty, PM; Campbell, BI; Wilson, J; Galvan, E; Berardi, J; Kleiner, SM; Kreider, RB; Stout, JR; Ziegenfuss, T; Spano, M; Smith, A; Antonio, J

Position Statement: Admittedly, research to date examining the physiological effects of meal frequency in humans is somewhat limited. More specifically, data that has specifically examined the impact of meal frequency on body composition, training adaptations, and performance in physically active individuals and athletes is scant. Until more research is available in the physically active and athletic populations, definitive conclusions cannot be made. However, within the confines of the current scientific literature, we assert that:1. Increasing meal frequency does not appear to favorably change body composition in sedentary populations.2. If protein levels are adequate, increasing meal frequency during periods of hypoenergetic dieting may preserve lean body mass in athletic populations.3. Increased meal frequency appears to have a positive effect on various blood markers of health, particularly LDL cholesterol, total cholesterol, and insulin.4. Increased meal frequency does not appear to significantly enhance diet induced thermogenesis, total energy expenditure or resting metabolic rate.5. Increasing meal frequency appears to help decrease hunger and improve appetite control.The following literature review has been prepared by the authors in support of the aforementioned position statement.

PMID: 21410984

PMCID: PMC3070624
URL* -*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410984?dopt=Citation

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