Longer ester with shirt ester

[BigGains]

I had another post an some members posted on it An I know it can be done. I'm getting members asking why, answer is this is what I have available to me,can you please help me put this cycle together?

I have Deca and Test Prop 100.

My stats
height 5'7
Age 46
Weight 194
Body fat 17%

 

[RickRock]

I had another post an some members posted on it An I know it can be done. I'm getting members asking why, answer is this is what I have available to me,can you please help me put this cycle together?

I have Deca and Test Prop 100.

My stats
height 5'7
Age 46
Weight 194
Body fat 17%

Really your body fat is a little high at the moment to be using steroids in my opinion. You can run those together, but the problem is that Test prop needs pinned every to their day and deca needs pinned once or twice a week.

What you can do is pin the Test prop every other day at 100mg, then pin the deca at 100-150mg every other injection (not every other day), so basically you would have an injection of just test prop, then two days later another injection with test prop/deca, then two days later back to test prop, etc....

Keep in mind that you need to run Aromasin amd caber during this whole cycle to control prolactin and estrogen.

What is your experience with AAS?

 

[mastermolnar]

In my opinion thats not exactly a reason to run them together. You have anything you want available to you through any of the sponsors here. Id get yourself some test cyp and set up a proper cycle for yourself. It certainly can be done with prop, but from your posts id say you should gain a little more experience before balancing a short and very long ester. Also agree with rick.... run aromasin and caber throughout

 

[BigGains]

Really your body fat is a little high at the moment to be using steroids in my opinion. You can run those together, but the problem is that Test prop needs pinned every to their day and deca needs pinned once or twice a week.

What you can do is pin the Test prop every other day at 100mg, then pin the deca at 100-150mg every other injection (not every other day), so basically you would have an injection of just test prop, then two days later another injection with test prop/deca, then two days later back to test prop, etc....

Keep in mind that you need to run Aromasin amd caber during this whole cycle to control prolactin and estrogen.

What is your experience with AAS?

I've run test prop 100 for one cycle, where should my body fat be to start this cycle? Also I have Aromasin on hand right now for the complete cycle. How much should I be taking of that? I can order test C if that will work a lot better, or is it that I will be pinning every other day? Or is it that much better? You tell me.

 

[21infantry]

I'm going to offer my opinion, anything below 20% BF is good to go on most substances, some wont have any noticeable effect at higher BF%. Second I am a big believer that below 10% Bf is more unhealthy then 20% BF, in fact 15 to 20 BF is proabably the most Ideal and Healthy BF% there is. Ill get blasted for that opinion but its my opionion and have researched the subject quite a bit.

 

[RickRock]

I'm going to offer my opinion, anything below 20% BF is good to go on most substances, some wont have any noticeable effect at higher BF%. Second I am a big believer that below 10% Bf is more unhealthy then 20% BF, in fact 15 to 20 BF is proabably the most Ideal and Healthy BF% there is. Ill get blasted for that opinion but its my opionion and have researched the subject quite a bit.

Ya we will have to disagree there. Anything above 15% is considered out of shape and overweight. Hardly ideal at all. I know you prefer to be a higher bodyfat and that's fine if you want to do that.

But to say that under 10% is unhealthy is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard in my entire life. I maintain around 8% year round, which is extremely healthy. I just got my blood work back 3 days ago, and at 41 years old it's the best it's ever been. You should see my numbers. I don't have one thing out of range. My cholesterol looks perfect, triglycerides are very low, RBC hematocrit and blood markers are perfect. Liver enzymes are also perfect. My blood pressure right now on cycle remains at 115/65.

My numbers when I was about 18% bodyfat 5 years ago was a different story. I had a lot of things out of range and my doctor was concerned. If you have a higher bodyfat, there's a reason for it, and your blood work will usually confirm that. You don't get overweight and fat from following a strict diet and training program.

 

[RickRock]

I've run test prop 100 for one cycle, where should my body fat be to start this cycle? Also I have Aromasin on hand right now for the complete cycle. How much should I be taking of that? I can order test C if that will work a lot better, or is it that I will be pinning every other day? Or is it that much better? You tell me.

Yes, test C would be better. Your bodyfat should be under 15% at the most and that's pushing it. I would recommend putting up a pic if you want honest and truthful critique. Most people highly underestimate theur bodyfat

But I think you are getting way ahead of yourself buddy. You really need to do a bit more research before jumping into anything.

 

[21infantry]

Ya we will have to disagree there. Anything above 15% is considered out of shape and overweight. Hardly ideal at all. I know you prefer to be a higher bodyfat and that's fine if you want to do that.

But to say that under 10% is unhealthy is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard in my entire life. I maintain around 8% year round, which is extremely healthy. I just got my blood work back 3 days ago, and at 41 years old it's the best it's ever been. You should see my numbers. I don't have one thing out of range. My cholesterol looks perfect, triglycerides are very low, RBC hematocrit and blood markers are perfect. Liver enzymes are also perfect. My blood pressure right now on cycle remains at 115/65.

My numbers when I was about 18% bodyfat 5 years ago was a different story. I had a lot of things out of range and my doctor was concerned. If you have a higher bodyfat, there's a reason for it, and your blood work will usually confirm that. You don't get overweight and fat from following a strict diet and training program.

Not trying to get in a pissing match Rock, but where are you getting this info? 20% is not considered overweight, its actually the WHOs standard of health. Huge numbers of data to back up that claim. Let me clarify between 15 to 20% is considred Ideal. They have under 10% as higher risk then the 25 to 30% fat range in males.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

i would consider 20-30 as a male to be overweight. if we are talking about females, then 20% is much more normal.

 

[21infantry]

i would consider 20-30 as a male to be overweight. if we are talking about females, then 20% is much more normal.

Of course spike most members on this board would. But this is a BB board dedicated to AAS. I think we have very slanted ways of thinking about health. Having your abs show and big muscles and low fat is not nessarly healthy nor do the substances we take at the levels we take them at healthy at all. Is it healthier then eating a pint of Ben and Jerrys every other day hell yes, but its not healthy. I partake in this as well have pretty low body fat for a PowerLifter can run 10 miles no problem, but am I really healthy? Other then Genetic outliers your average sub 10% BF male has much more physical ailments and diseases then your 20% BF guys. Just way to much information out there to not support that claim

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Not trying to get in a pissing match Rock, but where are you getting this info? 20% is not considered overweight, its actually the WHOs standard of health. Huge numbers of data to back up that claim. Let me clarify between 15 to 20% is considred Ideal. They have under 10% as higher risk then the 25 to 30% fat range in males.

just thought id post these BF% so people see the range

BF% based on ACSM standards
Athletes=<10%
Lean=10-15%
Normal=15-18%
Above Average=18-20%
Over-Fat=20-25%
Obese=25+%

BF% based on ACE standards
Essential fat=2-5%
Athletes=6-13%
Fitness+14-17%
Acceptable=18-25%
Obese=>25%

 

[SpikedEggnog]

dude i honestly dont give Two piss about "data". 15% bodyfat is way healthier (Mentally as well) then 25% bodyfat. you can talk to every single Male you meet on a daily basis. this is based on Real Life experiences from Real People, not some silly standards of "ideal" numbers. i would much rather be 10% then 20%, i feel better physically as well as mentally and its easier to move around, less stress on my heart, etc. there are no health implications for being 10% bodyfat that is preposterous. and to say 10% is higher risk then 20-30% is ridiculous dude, any male who is 20 or above is Fat and has a sedentary lifestyle 9 times out of 10. or you can be a Fat powerlifter which also means you are Overeating by a large amount which isnt good either. higher fat people have more health implications like diabetes, blood pressure, heart issues, etc. and this is in addition to lack of exercise and crappy diets.. people who have lower BF have good diets and active lifestyles and 9 times out of 10 that is a healthier way of living.

 

[RickRock]

Not trying to get in a pissing match Rock, but where are you getting this info? 20% is not considered overweight, its actually the WHOs standard of health. Huge numbers of data to back up that claim. Let me clarify between 15 to 20% is considred Ideal. They have under 10% as higher risk then the 25 to 30% fat range in males.

Craziest shit I've ever heard dude. Mine is common fucking sense. People in shape are going to be healthier. Now if you had someone walking around at stage condition all the time then that would be unhealthy. But who's walking around at 4%? Carrying around another 10 lbs of fat on you and staying in single digits can leave you in a very very healthy state. This cannot be argued.

And who gives a fuck about data? You have been around long enough that you should know by now that for every side you get data for you can find 10 saying the opposite.

 

[8cartman8]

I feel good at right above Dylan's bodyfat, which is right above
.0000001%...I'm aiming for the machinist look...

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[RickRock]

I feel good at right above Dylan's bodyfat, which is right above
.0000001%...I'm aiming for the machinist look...

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This makes me think of something I want to bring up as well. When the world health organization puts out data on what they deem healthy, that data is about the general population.....not athletes and bodybuilders. So, when they say that being under 10% bodyfat is unhealthy why do you think that is? Who out there would be under 10%? People that are starving, malnourished, drug addicts....etc....so of course they are in poor health.

Now when we are talking about bodybuilders and athletes that are in single digit bodyfat, they are obviously fed very very well with impeccable diets which contributes to them being in the awesome shape they are in. Those people probably are in the best overall health of anyone. Many in that kind of shape are in awesome cardiovascular health because of the regular cardio too. Who can argue with this? Seriously? I know from my own personal experience that once I got into the shape I'm in now, it was reflected in my health numbers. I'd never go back to over 15% where I was before......never ever.

 

[RickRock]

dude i honestly dont give Two piss about "data". 15% bodyfat is way healthier (Mentally as well) then 25% bodyfat. you can talk to every single Male you meet on a daily basis. this is based on Real Life experiences from Real People, not some silly standards of "ideal" numbers. i would much rather be 10% then 20%, i feel better physically as well as mentally and its easier to move around, less stress on my heart, etc. there are no health implications for being 10% bodyfat that is preposterous. and to say 10% is higher risk then 20-30% is ridiculous dude, any male who is 20 or above is Fat and has a sedentary lifestyle 9 times out of 10. or you can be a Fat powerlifter which also means you are Overeating by a large amount which isnt good either. higher fat people have more health implications like diabetes, blood pressure, heart issues, etc. and this is in addition to lack of exercise and crappy diets.. people who have lower BF have good diets and active lifestyles and 9 times out of 10 that is a healthier way of living.

Exactly. Very good post brother.

 

[8cartman8]

It's kind of a no brainer right?!?? I'm not sure how someone can dispute this...then again, I do have an aunt that talks about how all the time she never eats and has no idea why she's so overweight, yet, I just saw her eat an entire chocolate cake....
http://mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/buzz/2014/02/tumblr_mphwcr75Gb1rt4b5uo1_250.gif


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[Gymjunkie38]

Another point here guys is how most people here are measuring bodyfat calipers usually underestimate and those elctric machines overestimate for instance i was eight weeks out from a show i was hard as nails veins in my obliques and the electric tool said i was 20 percent i had fucking glute striations i measured with calipers and was only able too measure at the navel 1 mm too low on the chart too read actual body fat id say 4 percent then . so before you give any wrong number and you want too know if you lean enough take off you shirt take a selfie and post it . if you have an outline of your abs when flexing and no love handles you good . but if higher and you want too do it anyway run test at 300 mg no more with a dry oral like winny or var and run an AI but do not run alot of test . and if you fat your cholesterol is bad winstrol will make this much worse keep that in mind