Ridgemont4
New member
Thinking about doing my first cycle: 30 yrs old 5'7" 180lbs 18% bf
Sustanon 300
Sustanon 300
First cycle
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hey bro, welcome to adrenaline rush! i agree with NY on this pertaining to starting with a single ester... its always good to not get over complicated your first time... the bigger issue here is your body fat... its too high to be using steroids bro... you need to come down a good 4-5 % more before using steroids... steroids are not fat burners and need to be used when your in much better condition... you can absolutely get there but that needs to be the first priority here... have you read my articles on sarms? that would be a great starting point for you and will help you to not only get to the right body fat, but will get you in excellent condition and prepared to run your first cycle... read my articles at www.pureessencesarms.com
you can melt fat and still build lean muscle in the process... let me know and i'll set you up a great starting stack...
SpikedEggnog
Active member
dude you really want to be lower BF then 18% especially at 5'7"..clean your diet up first and cut the fat a bit, then you can fully maximize that TEST cycle - otherwise you are risking more sides being higher BF% and you wont see as many benefits, because at 18% bf your diet and training are NOT on point, lets be honest..
I also agree with the others. That bodyfat really needs to come down before you can run a safe cycle buddy. I would strongly suggest looking into a sarms stack to help aid fat loss while building muscle and strength. Start off with a sarms triple stack, which would be perfect for you. After that, with the right diet and training, you should be ready for a first cycle of test only or possibly and oral added in.
Here is a good triple stack protocol
1-12 MK-2866 25mg per day
1-12 S4 50mg per day
1-12 GW-501516 20mg per day
Get your sarms at the highest quality from www.pureessencesarms.com
PCT Clomid 25/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day
Here is a good triple stack protocol
1-12 MK-2866 25mg per day
1-12 S4 50mg per day
1-12 GW-501516 20mg per day
Get your sarms at the highest quality from www.pureessencesarms.com
PCT Clomid 25/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day
nvusimages
Member
You have gotten a lot of good stuff so far from the AR brothers... I couldnt agree with them more. One thing to remember before you start your cycle is to create your healthy habits now. Eat clean and healthy, get your cardio in now, and drop that BF. You will yield much greater results by doing so. Proper planning is key!!
LET EM HATE... THEY JUST NV US
LET EM HATE... THEY JUST NV US
21infantry
Active member
I'm going to go against the grain here and say that test below 20% BF is fine. Ill argue to I am blue in the face that 19% BF is healthier then sub 10% BF any day of the week and there are numerous studies to show this. Its when we get above 20% health concerns start to be elevated. Now I am prepared to be bashed by Dylan and Rick.
What are your goals my friend, Body Building, Powerlifting or just looking good. I cant say I have any experience with AAS other then Test. But when I started Test I was over 30% BF and it put me in the right place to loose a lot of weight and fat, but I wasn't blasting large amounts either. But at the same time I wasn't using the test for weight loss either and used diet and training to shred the weight and build muscle. I think most would be surprised what a simple dose of 250ml of Test once a week will do for you. I found it to be a very therapeutic experience along with all my health markers significantly improving.
I think that maybe the concern may be that with a blast of test that you might elevate that Bf% beyond 20% might be the issue. If you are more concerned about loosing weight, I will suggest Sarms Stack as Rick and Dylan have pointed out as I have lost about 3% Bf in the last month alone. I wouldn't be surprised if I am below 15% in two weeks time, Sarms work brother as simple as that.
What are your goals my friend, Body Building, Powerlifting or just looking good. I cant say I have any experience with AAS other then Test. But when I started Test I was over 30% BF and it put me in the right place to loose a lot of weight and fat, but I wasn't blasting large amounts either. But at the same time I wasn't using the test for weight loss either and used diet and training to shred the weight and build muscle. I think most would be surprised what a simple dose of 250ml of Test once a week will do for you. I found it to be a very therapeutic experience along with all my health markers significantly improving.
I think that maybe the concern may be that with a blast of test that you might elevate that Bf% beyond 20% might be the issue. If you are more concerned about loosing weight, I will suggest Sarms Stack as Rick and Dylan have pointed out as I have lost about 3% Bf in the last month alone. I wouldn't be surprised if I am below 15% in two weeks time, Sarms work brother as simple as that.
mastermolnar
Active member
First off welcome to the family and congratulations. Youre officially part of an elite community of guys eager to help one another. I agree with most of the advice thats been offered but youre fairly close to the rule of thumb "15%" that most would agree you should have your bf at when considering supplementing with AAS.
That being said, I also agree with the single ester suggestion as it will keep the fluctuation in blood levels more moderate and easier to adapt to (less peaks and valleys with minimal injections). I would suggest test cypionate or enanthate.
That being said, I also agree with the single ester suggestion as it will keep the fluctuation in blood levels more moderate and easier to adapt to (less peaks and valleys with minimal injections). I would suggest test cypionate or enanthate.
You won't see me bashing you brother! I respect your opinion on this completely.
I think the main thing is that many over 15% bodyfat will have a lot more strain on their health values than those in better shape. They are in a higher risk for high blood pressure and lipid strain while on cycle. This isn't just related to bodyfat, but also the fact that their duet is probably not ideal if they are carrying that much fat. If you eat clean enough, there's no reason or excuse to be over 15% in my opinion. It's extremely easy to be under 15% just by eating correctly.
Our advice is always geared towards doing things in a safe manner, and 15% is a good general guideline. Ultimately nothing is set in stone, and its up to the individual, but that has been accepted widespread as a general rule of thumb for a pretty good reason.
21infantry
Active member
I thought I was going to be on the Rick shit list with that comment (all smiles) Well anyways I just want to explain my postion a little bit. I know several guys who are under 15% BF who are complete waste of space and out of shape. While I carry around 16 to 17% currently and have carried 19 to 20% in the past six months, but I have great health markers and am extremely healthy and fit. In fact I came in 22nd in the Spartan race yesterday out of about 3000 competitors and had enough energy to hit the Gym this morning. I think its all about the individual more then anything if you know your fit and you can prove it your fit in general.
Agreed that the sub 10% is unhealthy for long periods of time, 100%
But when we're discussing BF that's "too high" we can't just generalize and say "this number is too high"
Height & weight are big determining factors. With this guy being 5'7, I'm going with 19% being too high.
Ridgemont4
New member
Thank you guys, I don't want to try sarms at all. I've cleaned up my diet and started doing lots of cardio and circuit training. Is there anything else I can take to help me lose bf like anavar, clen ?
Anavar is a steroid, and not a fat burner brother. It doesn't work that way. Clen is very harsh and extremely bad for you.
Why do you not want to use sarms? I would recommend at least GW for your goals of losing fat.
Ridgemont4
New member
I know its not a fat burner .. I just don't want sarms
Other alternatives are albuterol or ECA stack
SpikedEggnog
Active member
yes no only would it seem safer/healthier BUT if you are sitting at 20% BF you are going to look like a bag of PISS. everybody wanna be a BBer but nobody wanna lift no heavy butt weight
SpikedEggnog
Active member
dude you want to lose Fat. then dont ingest more stuff like AAS or "fat burners". the reason you have excess weight is because you put too much in your mouth, so forget about that and take a good look at your diet. you need to get that in check NOW. try a moderate carb high protein low fat.
bodean30
Active member
Ouch.
Forget clen. That shit will burn everything, muscle and fat. Plus it's very harsh and bad for your body.
The higher your bodyfat the more estrogen you will have to combat. That's why it's best to get the bf down before starting any AAS.
you can always try to put in far more effort with cardio and eating... more intensity... start sitting more in the sauna, etc... clen is not the answer whatsoever... im a fan of phenbuterol as well... you could definitely stack with albuterol and the eca stack for some strong fat burning but no matter what you take, you have to put in the time and effort as well...
You're on the right track....now you need discipline & patience. We'll get you there.
