I see a lot of recommended dosages but not really sure how this plays into effectiveness. For example, many people run EQ at 800ml's. If that's optimal, does 400ml produce about half the effectiveness (seems obvious). Basically wondering if we're talking about a linear drop-off, or does a low dose have a greater impact to effectiveness. I'm the type of person that wants to work my way up. I'd rather start low. I've been considering doing about 400ml test, 400 prim and 400 EQ on my next cycle. Aside from Test, those values are lower than many run. Just trying to get a feel for things. Thanks.
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LarryJ said:
What's your age, stats, cycle experience ? And I'm assuming you mean mgs not mls ?
lol, yea,. mg's. Trying to set my fantasy football team lineup while typing. 46 years old, 5-11, 218lbs. Around 18%bf and steadily dropping (I know it's still high). Did a small 10 week cycle this Summer with Test Enanth(250) and Prim (200) just to get acclimated. My last cycle before that was 21 years ago in 1994 when some buddies and I would take some shopping trips to Mexico. I'm planning on mid-November for my next. Will be 205 or below and approaching 15%bf by then. I enjoy competing in BJJ, so really want an endurance boost from Prim/EQ combo. I stocked up on some Aromasin and Proviron from Biotech and will be looking at getting the EQ soon. Also have 4 bottles of cycle assist on hand. Trying to get everything ready for a couple of months from now. My plan was to run 375 test, 400 prim and 400-600 EQ. Maybe a T-bol kick start, but not sure about that yet. I felt great with that small cycle that I ended in mid-August, so I know that I don't need to go extremely high with my dosing to have a successful cycle.
LarryJ said:
One thing to keep in mind is that each compound has an effective dose, which is a generally accepted range for results. That does not mean half of that range would be half the results, since it falls out of the effective dose range. For example, some people can get great results off of Test at 200mg per week. Half of that at 100mg per week is less than many people produce naturally so it won't give you anything. I hope this makes sense.
For EQ, I recommend 600-800mg per week. Since you want to stay at the lower side, I would run 600mg per week which keeps you at an effective dose range. The same can be said for your primo. The range is same for it at 600-800mg per week. 400mg is just going to be a waste and not worth running. It needs ran at 600mg minimum.
Keep in mind that EQ and Primo both need ran for at least 16 weeks for best results as well. You are selling yourself short running it less time
RickRock said:
^^ I definitely have to agree, couldn't have said it any better especially when it comes to general range of dosage. Nice post Rick ! And I hope this helps you out Larry
LarryJ said:
so what is your entire cycle plan? what are your goals from the cycle and what is your previous experience? let's really get this dialed in...
I want it all, lol! Strength, endurance, leaning up. I'm not going for the bulk right now. As much as my joints hurt from BJJ, I'm not going to use Deca until my body fat is much lower. Not that I'm excused from using other types, but while using Test and Primo, my blood work came back great (although test was only 400, but I am 46). It was taken 4 weeks after last pin (250 Test enanth, 200 Prim) and while on a nolva/clomid PCT. I'd be happy with steady strength and growth gains, and I definitely love the added endurance.
I currently do HIIT training twice a week, weight room 3 times a week, 2 hrs each time. Also about 4 hours of cardio per week. My diet is pretty good. I average about 2200 calories per day. I don't drink or smoke and I take in about 200 grams of protein a day.
In January I weighed 260lbs and was horribly out of shape (but still lifted weights). As much as I wanted to do some gear that my buddy gave me, I waited until I was 225 in June to begin. I don't have much experience with gear. In 1994 went on some shopping trips to Juarez, MX and found various things like Sten, Laurabolin, deca, test and some other things. No AI or PCT in those days. Probably did 16 weeks and that was it for gear experience until a couple of months ago.
My cycle plan is to run 375 Test, 600 Primo and 600 EQ for 20 weeks. I have aromasin, proviron (courtesy of BioTech) and cycle assist on hand, and will be looking to add clomid and nolva for PCT. Also plan on giving blood during cycle. My goal is to add lean mass while eating at calorie maintenance, while also increasing my endurance for BJJ. I hope to continue to drop BF, although I'm not going to use gear for that purpose.
I hope all this makes sense. First time I really had a chance to get it all out there. I'm concerned with my health and I really want to be in good shape (I'm not getting any younger!). I'm living a great lifestyle right now and I absolutely know that I'll be around 205lbs and 15%bf in November (and dropping).
I currently do HIIT training twice a week, weight room 3 times a week, 2 hrs each time. Also about 4 hours of cardio per week. My diet is pretty good. I average about 2200 calories per day. I don't drink or smoke and I take in about 200 grams of protein a day.
In January I weighed 260lbs and was horribly out of shape (but still lifted weights). As much as I wanted to do some gear that my buddy gave me, I waited until I was 225 in June to begin. I don't have much experience with gear. In 1994 went on some shopping trips to Juarez, MX and found various things like Sten, Laurabolin, deca, test and some other things. No AI or PCT in those days. Probably did 16 weeks and that was it for gear experience until a couple of months ago.
My cycle plan is to run 375 Test, 600 Primo and 600 EQ for 20 weeks. I have aromasin, proviron (courtesy of BioTech) and cycle assist on hand, and will be looking to add clomid and nolva for PCT. Also plan on giving blood during cycle. My goal is to add lean mass while eating at calorie maintenance, while also increasing my endurance for BJJ. I hope to continue to drop BF, although I'm not going to use gear for that purpose.
I hope all this makes sense. First time I really had a chance to get it all out there. I'm concerned with my health and I really want to be in good shape (I'm not getting any younger!). I'm living a great lifestyle right now and I absolutely know that I'll be around 205lbs and 15%bf in November (and dropping).
LarryJ said:
hey bro... well i have to say that i love your cycle and i love that you are aware of all the things that need to be done... your definitely on the right track... i love the cycle, the length and the doses look great.. you can consider going to 800 on both primo and eq but if you have to choose one then bump the eq... i have a PERFECT layout for you and your goals... you are truly missing out if you don't use gw-501516 with eq and primo for ultra endurance... here is what i would do here...
1-20 test cyp 350 - 500 mg week
1-20 primo 600 - 800 mg week
1-20 eq 800 mg week
1-22 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-20 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
7-20 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
15-22 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
19-22 hcg 1000 ius week
pct 23-26
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
cycle assist
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day
Thanks for the feedback. I loved your videos on youtube because you understood the importance of safety and I'm definitely like-minded. I'm still in my own personal research stage concerning SARMS. Put it this way, I"m the type of guy who spends hours on the internet researching the socks that last the longest because I'm all about making sure that I make smart decisions. SARMS are the same way for me, with the added aspect of safety (side effects). Prices look good and feedback look good, so I'm considering them. I worry that there may be a side effect that hasn't been discovered yet, but I suppose the same thing can be said for many things including the food that we eat. I'm sure that I'll give them a shot, especially the GW. They seem to really shine in PCT. I keep an eye on the forums and stories that are posted about them because a couple of the SARMS almost seem too good to be true.
LarryJ said:
there are logs and results everywhere bro... the results say it all but just so you know, i have been researching, implementing, etc. with sarms for over 5 years, even when noone had heard of them... everything i have written on them is all accurate and something i have put countless hours into... i have done this because of how much i believe in them and see what they can do for someone... i can't say enough... its absolutely wonderful that you are doing the necessary research you need to ensure you are doing this right... just know im always here to help if you need anything bro...
These boards are awesome. Lots of good information and everyone seems to care about each other. Thanks. I'm going to have to look at some more videos about SARMS and maybe give 1 or 2 a try. Most likely it would be in PCT early next year. Thanks again. I'm sure I'll have some questions for you guys down the road.
LarryJ said:
check out my youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEdmdT ... ujxQgFa-kw
i have covered ever sarm and some... also, all my articles are at www.pureessencesarms.com so you can get nice reading there as well
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