Up the dose or add a compound?

[sealrunner]

Question for the experienced gentlemen,

In you opinion, observations, experience, research, divine revelations (I don't care how you come to you conclusion if you can support it) is it better to add a compound vs up the dose?

I am planning to put weight back on that I lost last time I went to work. I realize this is going to vary wildly from person to person but I have always been a fan of low dose cycles and am wandering what a gram of real test feels like . My favorite cycle to date is 300mg of primo and 20mg of Var with 200mg of test. I'm thinking about 750mg of test with 600mg of EQ and maybe some A-bombs thrown in.

Try not to get wrapped up in the actual compounds or exact cycles, except when talking about the synergy of non-ar mediated effects.

Thanks in advance for all your thoughts.

 

[RickRock]

Question for the experienced gentlemen,

In you opinion, observations, experience, research, divine revelations (I don't care how you come to you conclusion if you can support it) is it better to add a compound vs up the dose?

I am planning to put weight back on that I lost last time I went to work. I realize this is going to vary wildly from person to person but I have always been a fan of low dose cycles and am wandering what a gram of real test feels like . My favorite cycle to date is 300mg of primo and 20mg of Var with 200mg of test. I'm thinking about 750mg of test with 600mg of EQ and maybe some A-bombs thrown in.

Try not to get wrapped up in the actual compounds or exact cycles, except when talking about the synergy of non-ar mediated effects.

Thanks in advance for all your thoughts.

I think that all depends on what your goal is and what the compounds are. I'll give you some examples. If I want to harden up, dry out, and cut, I might add Winstrol or Masteron into a cycle to accomplish that. That's where I see adding another compound. At the same time increasing a dose of a compound like Tren can help a lot as well

When it comes to adding muscle, it's a lot of preference. A lot of guys like things like Deca or NPP. I like NPP, but if I was looking for more size, I'd probably just increase my test dose more to accomplish that. High dosed test treats me very well, and I would venture to say high test beats moderate test and moderate NPP, at least for me.

A lot of these things are going to be individual specific and it depends on how you respond to certain compounds. If you find something you respond very well to, it may be your best bet to just run a higher dose of that versus adding other compounds. I hope this helps

 

[Guest]

Yea there is an extreme amount of variance here bro with experience, goals, stats, etc.

Since you mentioned EQ how about you try a low test cycle, screw a gram a week of test

1-18 Test Cyp 350mg/week
1-18 EQ 800mg/week
1-(4-6) Tbol 50mg/ED
13-18 Winny 50mg/ED or 13-18 VAR 60mg/ED


Can obvious mix and match a ton of compounds here but this is just an idea

 

[JM750]

For size. I always like test. Deca. Dbol.

 

[RickRock]

One thing to keep in mind,is that once you run a good "effective" dose of a compound, anything above that will start to give diminished returns, where adding in another compound may give you some synergistic effects and different results.

 

[Guest]

Shit even the addition of priviron 50-75mg/day to a cycle makes a big difference in my opinion if you have never used it

Sarms can also be a great addition to any cycle especially if you are concerned about sides and orals


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[Trenrage]

Question for the experienced gentlemen,

In you opinion, observations, experience, research, divine revelations (I don't care how you come to you conclusion if you can support it) is it better to add a compound vs up the dose?

I am planning to put weight back on that I lost last time I went to work. I realize this is going to vary wildly from person to person but I have always been a fan of low dose cycles and am wandering what a gram of real test feels like . My favorite cycle to date is 300mg of primo and 20mg of Var with 200mg of test. I'm thinking about 750mg of test with 600mg of EQ and maybe some A-bombs thrown in.

Try not to get wrapped up in the actual compounds or exact cycles, except when talking about the synergy of non-ar mediated effects.

Thanks in advance for all your thoughts.

Upping the test is a good idea, moderate-high test I find works better on any cycle then low. If size is the goal higher test ftw eq will grow you lean so 600mg of that a week would be awesome with anadrol. Another idea would be test/npp/mast to think about. If size is the goal NPP>EQ

 

[PHURIOUS]

It all depends on what kind of size you want. U want clean lean muscle?

High test high eq w so w deca in there and eat huge but super clean.

U want to just throw on some weight dirty or otherwise.

High test dbol kick start and eat everything and anything.

It really depends.

I prefer clean gains.



PHURIOUS PHARMA

 

[Olympus]

All advice is irrelevant until we know your goals and budget brother!


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."

 

[Redam]

^^^^^^^ BINGO

 

[sealrunner]

The goal is to recomp/lean bulk. Im 6'1" 185lbs 13%BF. I

just lived for 5 monthes on MRE's and twix bars I know my BF is high you can't imagine how fucking hard it is to eat clean at while at war.

I'm back to eating right I want to get back to 200lbs at 8% BF the condition I left in. I cant just throw water on. It has to be quality.

Im thinking more realistically:
500mg test 1-12
300mg NPP 1-12
300mg EQ 1-12
40mg Turinabol 1-12
20mg GW 501516 1-12
10mg lgd 4033 1-12

Insulin 2xWeek and full PCT of course

 

[DylanGemelli]

This is all MY PERSONAL thinking and experience but your going to see variant answers all over the place on this...

More is not always better... Everything has a "sweet spot" where the dosing protocol is optimal in relativity to possible and probable side effects... These are simply averages but generally stay true from person to person... OBVIOUSLY some can tolerate or handle more or less than others but let's look generally... Take something like EQ for example... You can and should run this much higher than you would tren or deca... There comes a point where raising the dose only brings on more adverse effects... Then you have to look at what side effects certain compounds carry... Clearly something like primo can be ran at 600-800 mg week with little to no sides where something like deca should never get that high... Think about test now... Some guys can definitely handle more than others but there comes a point where your just filling your body full of estrogen and water... Not only is the extra water something you generally would not want but it's dangerous to get your estrogen that high... You can cause so many problems not to mention the concept of sustainability or the ever misused question of "will i keep my gains?" Well, if the gains are half water, don't count on it! So while a cycle of test, dbol and deca for example will add HUGE size but at what cost and what sustainability? That just comes down to YOU... are you more satisfied with something drastic that is very temporary or maybe something steadier that you have a much higher probability of holding onto? It really comes down to YOU but just ALWAYS remember that "more is not always better."

 

[DylanGemelli]

The goal is to recomp/lean bulk. Im 6'1" 185lbs 13%BF. I

just lived for 5 monthes on MRE's and twix bars I know my BF is high you can't imagine how fucking hard it is to eat clean at while at war.

I'm back to eating right I want to get back to 200lbs at 8% BF the condition I left in. I cant just throw water on. It has to be quality.

Im thinking more realistically:
500mg test 1-12
300mg NPP 1-12
300mg EQ 1-12
40mg Turinabol 1-12
20mg GW 501516 1-12
10mg lgd 4033 1-12

Insulin 2xWeek and full PCT of course

I would be VERY careful with the insulin bro, very careful... Im not going to get into that one because I don't even want liability on that sort of thing whatsoever but I most definitely will touch on your cycle layout as it is... I like the compounds but not the doses... Let me give you my thoughts on it... before i get into the dosing, you do need to understand that eq needs to be ran longer... it really does not start to take hold until week 8 or 9 so stopping at 12 weeks is kind of pointless in that regard... here is how i would run this...

1-16 test cyp 350 mg week
1-16 eq 800 mg week
1-12 npp 150-200 mg eod
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-12 dostinex .5 mg e3d
1-18 proviron 50 mg day
1-6 tbol 40-60 mg day
1-6 cycle assist
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day
5-18 gw-501516 20 mg day

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Olympus]

Let's back track and have a talk about our friend "insulin."


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."

 

[sealrunner]

This is all MY PERSONAL thinking and experience but your going to see variant answers all over the place on this...

More is not always better... Everything has a "sweet spot" where the dosing protocol is optimal in relativity to possible and probable side effects... These are simply averages but generally stay true from person to person... OBVIOUSLY some can tolerate or handle more or less than others but let's look generally... Take something like EQ for example... You can and should run this much higher than you would tren or deca... There comes a point where raising the dose only brings on more adverse effects... Then you have to look at what side effects certain compounds carry... Clearly something like primo can be ran at 600-800 mg week with little to no sides where something like deca should never get that high... Think about test now... Some guys can definitely handle more than others but there comes a point where your just filling your body full of estrogen and water... Not only is the extra water something you generally would not want but it's dangerous to get your estrogen that high... You can cause so many problems not to mention the concept of sustainability or the ever misused question of "will i keep my gains?" Well, if the gains are half water, don't count on it! So while a cycle of test, dbol and deca for example will add HUGE size but at what cost and what sustainability? That just comes down to YOU... are you more satisfied with something drastic that is very temporary or maybe something steadier that you have a much higher probability of holding onto? It really comes down to YOU but just ALWAYS remember that "more is not always better."

This was the answer I was looking for thank you!!!! Also, I was unsure if we were allowed to talk about insulin on the open forum so I didn't go into specifics. I live with 3 M.D.s/one surgeons and I am a paramedic and am very careful and experienced with insulin both medically and as a PED.

*For the person who reads this in 5 years DON'T USE INSULIN UNLESS YOU MAKE A LIVING USING YOUR BODY AND IN AN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCE!!!!!!

There are 1001 ways to secure an end game find another one!!! Also, if a person recommends you use insulin stop taking their advice-even I don't recommend it....

 

[Olympus]

Insulin is the most anabolic substance we can put into our body. So many other and safer routes. Most people using slin don't have the first clue how many carbs they need to uptake.


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."

 

[sealrunner]

Let's back track and have a talk about our friend "insulin."


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."

I'll PM you, I bet you can teach me something, but insulin/epo/dnp shouldn't be discussed openly, ever.

 

[DylanGemelli]

This is all MY PERSONAL thinking and experience but your going to see variant answers all over the place on this...

More is not always better... Everything has a "sweet spot" where the dosing protocol is optimal in relativity to possible and probable side effects... These are simply averages but generally stay true from person to person... OBVIOUSLY some can tolerate or handle more or less than others but let's look generally... Take something like EQ for example... You can and should run this much higher than you would tren or deca... There comes a point where raising the dose only brings on more adverse effects... Then you have to look at what side effects certain compounds carry... Clearly something like primo can be ran at 600-800 mg week with little to no sides where something like deca should never get that high... Think about test now... Some guys can definitely handle more than others but there comes a point where your just filling your body full of estrogen and water... Not only is the extra water something you generally would not want but it's dangerous to get your estrogen that high... You can cause so many problems not to mention the concept of sustainability or the ever misused question of "will i keep my gains?" Well, if the gains are half water, don't count on it! So while a cycle of test, dbol and deca for example will add HUGE size but at what cost and what sustainability? That just comes down to YOU... are you more satisfied with something drastic that is very temporary or maybe something steadier that you have a much higher probability of holding onto? It really comes down to YOU but just ALWAYS remember that "more is not always better."

This was the answer I was looking for thank you!!!! Also, I was unsure if we were allowed to talk about insulin on the open forum so I didn't go into specifics. I live with 3 M.D.s/one surgeons and I am a paramedic and am very careful and experienced with insulin both medically and as a PED.

*For the person who reads this in 5 years DON'T USE INSULIN UNLESS YOU MAKE A LIVING USING YOUR BODY AND IN AN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCE!!!!!!

There are 1001 ways to secure an end game find another one!!! Also, if a person recommends you use insulin stop taking their advice-even I don't recommend it....

No brother, don't take that wrong, you absolutely can talk about it... I personally won't though because I am far too fearful of what it can do to you... Anything could technically hurt or even kill you but insulin definitely can and personally, I am just not willing to even go there with any of you... You guys mean far too much to me for that so I guess Im not your guy for that... I hope you understand why... YOU and EVERYONE ELSE mean everything to me and to even think about advising on something I know is that dangerous, i simply can't do it... I won't even do it with guys I train that I know are going pro... I just can't man... I care far too much...

I hope my answer on this did help you though in other regards!

 

[sealrunner]

Insulin is the most anabolic substance we can put into our body. So many other and safer routes. Most people using slin don't have the first clue how many carbs they need to uptake.


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."

It is the most anabolic, but a waste if run without AAS.

 

[sealrunner]

This is all MY PERSONAL thinking and experience but your going to see variant answers all over the place on this...

More is not always better... Everything has a "sweet spot" where the dosing protocol is optimal in relativity to possible and probable side effects... These are simply averages but generally stay true from person to person... OBVIOUSLY some can tolerate or handle more or less than others but let's look generally... Take something like EQ for example... You can and should run this much higher than you would tren or deca... There comes a point where raising the dose only brings on more adverse effects... Then you have to look at what side effects certain compounds carry... Clearly something like primo can be ran at 600-800 mg week with little to no sides where something like deca should never get that high... Think about test now... Some guys can definitely handle more than others but there comes a point where your just filling your body full of estrogen and water... Not only is the extra water something you generally would not want but it's dangerous to get your estrogen that high... You can cause so many problems not to mention the concept of sustainability or the ever misused question of "will i keep my gains?" Well, if the gains are half water, don't count on it! So while a cycle of test, dbol and deca for example will add HUGE size but at what cost and what sustainability? That just comes down to YOU... are you more satisfied with something drastic that is very temporary or maybe something steadier that you have a much higher probability of holding onto? It really comes down to YOU but just ALWAYS remember that "more is not always better."

This was the answer I was looking for thank you!!!! Also, I was unsure if we were allowed to talk about insulin on the open forum so I didn't go into specifics. I live with 3 M.D.s/one surgeons and I am a paramedic and am very careful and experienced with insulin both medically and as a PED.

*For the person who reads this in 5 years DON'T USE INSULIN UNLESS YOU MAKE A LIVING USING YOUR BODY AND IN AN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCE!!!!!!

There are 1001 ways to secure an end game find another one!!! Also, if a person recommends you use insulin stop taking their advice-even I don't recommend it....

No brother, don't take that wrong, you absolutely can talk about it... I personally won't though because I am far too fearful of what it can do to you... Anything could technically hurt or even kill you but insulin definitely can and personally, I am just not willing to even go there with any of you... You guys mean far too much to me for that so I guess Im not your guy for that... I hope you understand why... YOU and EVERYONE ELSE mean everything to me and to even think about advising on something I know is that dangerous, i simply can't do it... I won't even do it with guys I train that I know are going pro... I just can't man... I care far too much...

I hope my answer on this did help you though in other regards!