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Stacking orals... Safe or Not??

DylanGemelli

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Many times I see people stacking orals and there is a huge discrepancy on advice given as to whether its safe or dangerous... What it all comes down to is HOW are you doing... Generally, all orals are "dangerous" in terms of toxicity and other general side effects but the dosing is what ultimately decides just bad they can be. Extreme doses of orals, putting extra strain on the liver and only internal organs, can be extremely dangerous and often cause several unwanted side effects that not only HURT the user but take away from their performance overall because of the horrible sides and lethargy it can cause, which only hinders gains and progress. HOWEVER, if dosed properly with protectants, orals have a huge part in the ultimate success of a cycle. That brings the question then of actually stacking orals. Yes, stacking orals can be very dangerous IF not used properly... HOWEVER, if you take two orals, knock the average dose of each in half and allow them to WORK TOGETHER COHESIVELY AT A SAFE LEVEL then they can work wonders. It's not "can you" its "how do you" as the better question... "HOW do you stack orals safely?" Cut the dose of each down, let them both do what they do but working in conjunction with the other, ultimately feeding off one another and bringing out the best in both... Take what I am doing right now with Winstrol and Tbol as a prime example... I have cut the dose of both in half but still getting a full 50 mg total dose and taking the strengths of each and allowing them to feed off each other, thus resulting in a hybrid oral... This concept is often not understood nor grasped but if one can see and understand how this works, the results can be amazing and unlike any other method. This particular hybrid doubles the benefits yet cuts the sides... It's very ideal if done properly and it coincides with the intended goal!
 
Good write up. I have encountered Lethargy a few times from running orals too high or even stacking them. Being lethargic is not fun at all. It takes away from everything.
 
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?
 
Great explanation Dylan, that I completely agree with. The whole idea is that it's not a black and white answer on yes or no for stacking two orals. You have to look at the toxicity of each oral and the dose used on each. It's entirely possible to have a lowered dose with two stacked orals be LESS toxic and harmful than a higher dosed oral on its own. It's all about doing things properly and looking at doses and compounds used, as well as what you are young to protect yourself. Nice writeup.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
 
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DylanGemelli said:
ibleedoranbla said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.
 
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ibleedoranbla said:
DylanGemelli said:
ibleedoranbla said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.


Definitely bro... You will love that as a finisher on this one... watch the toxicity but it won't be too bad with this combo...
 
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DylanGemelli said:
ibleedoranbla said:
DylanGemelli said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.


Definitely bro... You will love that as a finisher on this one... watch the toxicity but it won't be too bad with this combo...
So, assuming they are both 10mg/tab I would need 126 tabs each, does that sound correct? I may run the drol at the beginning for 3 weeks instead of 4. That should help with water and toxicity and give me an extra week to recover before I throw the other orals in.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
DylanGemelli said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.


Definitely bro... You will love that as a finisher on this one... watch the toxicity but it won't be too bad with this combo...
So, assuming they are both 10mg/tab I would need 126 tabs each, does that sound correct? I may run the drol art the beginning for 3 weeks instead of 4. That should help with water and toxicity and give me an extra week to recover before I throw the other orals in.




Skkkkkkirrrrt as I hit the brakes. You're running testosterone, no?


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."
 
Re: RE: Re: Stacking orals... Safe or Not??

Olympus said:
ibleedoranbla said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.


Definitely bro... You will love that as a finisher on this one... watch the toxicity but it won't be too bad with this combo...
So, assuming they are both 10mg/tab I would need 126 tabs each, does that sound correct? I may run the drol art the beginning for 3 weeks instead of 4. That should help with water and toxicity and give me an extra week to recover before I throw the other orals in.




Skkkkkkirrrrt as I hit the brakes. You're running testosterone, no?


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."
Haha, yes I will be when this cycle happens. 500/week test e.
 
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ibleedoranbla said:
Olympus said:
ibleedoranbla said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.


Definitely bro... You will love that as a finisher on this one... watch the toxicity but it won't be too bad with this combo...
So, assuming they are both 10mg/tab I would need 126 tabs each, does that sound correct? I may run the drol art the beginning for 3 weeks instead of 4. That should help with water and toxicity and give me an extra week to recover before I throw the other orals in.




Skkkkkkirrrrt as I hit the brakes. You're running testosterone, no?


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."
Haha, yes I will be when this cycle happens. 500/week test e.


So, hit the drol 4 weeks at 50 mg per day... there's no need to go any higher... you'll get exactly what you want at that dose and won't put too much extra strain on yourself... then hit the finish with 25 mg per day of winstrol and 30 mg per day of anavar... you can get 25 mg winstrol caps easily and even if your anavar are 25 mg a piece that is fine too... 5 mg difference won't mean anything whatsoever... or you can get 10 mg caps im sure... if you have problems finding it, pm me and i'll help you get towards the right direction on that but most should already come that way... either way, im here to help brother...
 
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DylanGemelli said:
ibleedoranbla said:
Olympus said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.


Definitely bro... You will love that as a finisher on this one... watch the toxicity but it won't be too bad with this combo...
So, assuming they are both 10mg/tab I would need 126 tabs each, does that sound correct? I may run the drol art the beginning for 3 weeks instead of 4. That should help with water and toxicity and give me an extra week to recover before I throw the other orals in.




Skkkkkkirrrrt as I hit the brakes. You're running testosterone, no?


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."
Haha, yes I will be when this cycle happens. 500/week test e.


So, hit the drol 4 weeks at 50 mg per day... there's no need to go any higher... you'll get exactly what you want at that dose and won't put too much extra strain on yourself... then hit the finish with 25 mg per day of winstrol and 30 mg per day of anavar... you can get 25 mg winstrol caps easily and even if your anavar are 25 mg a piece that is fine too... 5 mg difference won't mean anything whatsoever... or you can get 10 mg caps im sure... if you have problems finding it, pm me and i'll help you get towards the right direction on that but most should already come that way... either way, im here to help brother...
Sweet, I think this will be the plan.
 
ibleedoranbla said:
Olympus said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
"DylanGemelli" said:
"ibleedoranbla" said:
You've got me talked into running winny at the end of my cycle. Which is better to clean gains up, winny by itself or the winny/tbol stack?


I would just go with winstrol alone on this one bro... Let it shine on this current cycle because i know your main goal here and in this particular circumstance, although the combo would be extremely nice, i think you would actually be better either doing winstrol alone OR winstrol at 25 mg day and anavar at 30 mg day... that would be fucking sick bro... SAVE the winstrol/tbol for your next cycle and use it as a kickstart for a recomp or cutting stack!
Awesome, I'm going to look into acquiring some.


Definitely bro... You will love that as a finisher on this one... watch the toxicity but it won't be too bad with this combo...
So, assuming they are both 10mg/tab I would need 126 tabs each, does that sound correct? I may run the drol art the beginning for 3 weeks instead of 4. That should help with water and toxicity and give me an extra week to recover before I throw the other orals in.




Skkkkkkirrrrt as I hit the brakes. You're running testosterone, no?


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."
Haha, yes I will be when this cycle happens. 500/week test e.

Phewww. Thanks for that bro ;-)


"At the age of six I wanted to be a cook. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. And my ambition has been growing steadily ever since."
 
I really think the winstrol and anavar combo will be perfect... obviously i am huge on proviron so adding that will only be beneficial for you as well...
 
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DylanGemelli said:
I really think the winstrol and anavar combo will be perfect... obviously i am huge on proviron so adding that will only be beneficial for you as well...
I'll definitely be using proviron on my cycle, I have plenty of it. I'm pretty pumped about adding the winstrol/var combo. I'd be pumped if I could put on 10lbs of lbm and cut 2-3% bf. That may be asking for too much because I don't really know what to expect.
 
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ibleedoranbla said:
DylanGemelli said:
I really think the winstrol and anavar combo will be perfect... obviously i am huge on proviron so adding that will only be beneficial for you as well...
I'll definitely be using proviron on my cycle, I have plenty of it. I'm pretty pumped about adding the winstrol/var combo. I'd be pumped if I could put on 10lbs of lbm and cut 2-3% bf. That may be asking for too much because I don't really know what to expect.


Yes brother and honestly, it doesnt take much, especially of winstrol... One thing I have learned with things like winstrol that are far more anabolic than most comprehend or understand and honestly, a lot is not needed to get the results... Do it like I laid out and not only will you see the results but you won't endure the sides either... I have full confidence you'll do this perfectly... IF you decide to go the extra mile for even MORE hardening and sculpting at the end, S4 with winstrol is a dream.. That's the icing on the cake brother... Either way, your going to love it...
 
THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE SEES THE LIGHT! I've gotten in more arguments about stacking orals than anything else. I've had people tell me that if you add 10mg a day of anavar (Witch I think everyone should do to protect their joints if not running, primo, decca, or EQ) will make you shit out your insides if you're taking a dose of any other oral. IMO it all comes down to blood work, I took Accutane as a kid as part of the medical trials done originally by Roche Pharma. They almost thought I got the placebo because my lipids, blood pressure, and liver values never changed like they should have on the drug. That's where I learned it all comes down to blood work and personal reaction with toxicity and health risks.
 
sealrunner said:
THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE SEES THE LIGHT! I've gotten in more arguments about stacking orals than anything else. I've had people tell me that if you add 10mg a day of anavar (Witch I think everyone should do to protect their joints if not running, primo, decca, or EQ) will make you shit out your insides if you're taking a dose of any other oral. IMO it all comes down to blood work, I took Accutane as a kid as part of the medical trials done originally by Roche Pharma. They almost thought I got the placebo because my lipids, blood pressure, and liver values never changed like they should have on the drug. That's where I learned it all comes down to blood work and personal reaction with toxicity and health risks.

You are absolutely right. How someone responds, and how it affects bloodwork is always going to be user specific. As for stacking orals there's always a lot of bro science out there about it where people don't really look at the total milligrams, but look at the fact that there is two compounds and base their opinions on that. There is so much more to it than that. Stacking orals can be safe and very effective when done correctly. There are some combinations that are just really good like Dbol and Anadrol, Winny and Tbol, Winny and Anavar, etc.
 
RickRock said:
sealrunner said:
THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE SEES THE LIGHT! I've gotten in more arguments about stacking orals than anything else. I've had people tell me that if you add 10mg a day of anavar (Witch I think everyone should do to protect their joints if not running, primo, decca, or EQ) will make you shit out your insides if you're taking a dose of any other oral. IMO it all comes down to blood work, I took Accutane as a kid as part of the medical trials done originally by Roche Pharma. They almost thought I got the placebo because my lipids, blood pressure, and liver values never changed like they should have on the drug. That's where I learned it all comes down to blood work and personal reaction with toxicity and health risks.

You are absolutely right. How someone responds, and how it affects bloodwork is always going to be user specific. As for stacking orals there's always a lot of bro science out there about it where people don't really look at the total milligrams, but look at the fact that there is two compounds and base their opinions on that. There is so much more to it than that. Stacking orals can be safe and very effective when done correctly. There are some combinations that are just really good like Dbol and Anadrol, Winny and Tbol, Winny and Anavar, etc.

I know some people are anti-oral only but Tbol and Anavar plus GW and Ostarine may be the closest thing to a "perfect" oral only. There are some badass oral oral combinations.
 
sealrunner said:
RickRock said:
sealrunner said:
THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE SEES THE LIGHT! I've gotten in more arguments about stacking orals than anything else. I've had people tell me that if you add 10mg a day of anavar (Witch I think everyone should do to protect their joints if not running, primo, decca, or EQ) will make you shit out your insides if you're taking a dose of any other oral. IMO it all comes down to blood work, I took Accutane as a kid as part of the medical trials done originally by Roche Pharma. They almost thought I got the placebo because my lipids, blood pressure, and liver values never changed like they should have on the drug. That's where I learned it all comes down to blood work and personal reaction with toxicity and health risks.

You are absolutely right. How someone responds, and how it affects bloodwork is always going to be user specific. As for stacking orals there's always a lot of bro science out there about it where people don't really look at the total milligrams, but look at the fact that there is two compounds and base their opinions on that. There is so much more to it than that. Stacking orals can be safe and very effective when done correctly. There are some combinations that are just really good like Dbol and Anadrol, Winny and Tbol, Winny and Anavar, etc.

I know some people are anti-oral only but Tbol and Anavar plus GW and Ostarine may be the closest thing to a "perfect" oral only. There are some badass oral oral combinations.


I agree completely. I think that some oral only cycles can be awesome, and that example you gave is a perfect representation of that.
 
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