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Running 2 19 Nors together

drjay9051

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Well got into a heated discussion with a bro yesterday. Simple question: Tren and Deca together? Good, bad?

Gotta run at least a TRT dose of test with either but this guy started spouting shit about binding affinity etc.

Is there any point in running the tren and deca together or does it simply increase risk of sides?

Oh yeah, he is old skool and not a big believer in PCT!! To quote him "Arnold never did PCT!"

How the fuck does he know what arnold did? Besides for all we know Arnold may be impudent.

He is currently running test and tren along with low dose T-bol and wants to either add deca or switch the deca for his tren. My suggestion was leave shit alone at this point. There is always another cycle.

He read that the deca and tren are synergistic so may want to add deca to his current cycle which he is 1 month into.



I advised that deca should be run for bout 10-12 weeks so he is looking at a long ass cyce(IMO).



I suggested he join the forum but he is paranoid about being tracked, must be the tren fucking with his mind.

Opinions?
 
U can run 2 together like that but it's definitely not advised but the way he seems reckless, he has no business doing it. but a responsible user that monitors thier bloods and takes all proper protections and has some solid experience, then yea it can be done
 
NY said:
Well I could reeaaaaallly break down hormone binding affinities..

Hello I'm not even going spend time on this given your friends mentality.. As it sounds.

There's Allot to this post that's sounds weird to me. What makes a cycle long ass, being ten 10-12 weeks? If so that's incorrect based on Allot of things.

Not really sure how to answer you specifically without getting more detailed then you probably want given the layout of the post.
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Appreciate that,NY

I guess Im on the conservative side which is why I consider 12 weeks a long cycle.

Different strokes and all.

I'm going to push him to join so he can be more detailed in his thought process.

Thanks again
 
Ok first off they are not synergistic at all. Your friend is flat out misguided.

Running them both together can be pointless if not done right cause you won't get the full effect of either of them, mainly the deca. Both of them bind strongly to the AR but Tren is going to reach the AR faster than deca will. This is bad for a few reasons. Both steroids help muscle growth by attaching to the AR. Since Tren will reach the AR first and with a higher affinity than deca, meaning some of the deca will be able to "activate" its effects by binding to the androgen receptor but the vast majority of it will not because the Tren will already be there taking up all the extra space. Now you will have a bunch of deca floating around in the body looking for some place it can bind to but it won't be able too. It will be mostly useless except for too raise prolactin, which Tren already does to a fair extent.

Tren produces a dry and hard look, but when prolactin is high you won't get this effect. Both steroids pretty much cancel each other out (almost). You lose some of the cosmetics from Tren and the muscle building and joint soothing effects from the deca...and you are trading these effects for increased bloat, estrogen, and prolactin. Now it doesn't work exactly like that but what I've described is an accurately painted picture of something that isn't fully understood (at least not by me lol).

It's a bad stack unless you know exactly what you are doing and know how to control the sides. You will get better gains by running them separately a higher doses than running them individually at lower doses. Anyone smarter than me feel free to correct me if I'm wrong


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I don't really recommend stacking two nandrolones. There's a lot that goes into it, and basically what SDbronco said makes a lot of sense too. You can't run them both at full strength. That's just asking for problems. You end up half assing both of them and still run a higher risk of problems. It makes a lot more sense to just pick one and run it properly as its intended
 
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I added Tren to my blast at a lower dose than Deca and test. Woke up this morning full as shit, yesterday the wife said you're looking huge... yadda yadda yaaaaa. You gotta be on top of it and I'm getting bloods done in two weeks. SdB's comment about AR binding makes sense, as Tren Ace is only surpassed by MT and Suspension as far as AR binding strength.
 
ANYONE that says, Arnold did it has lost ALL credibility off the jump and i would completely disregard ANYTHING that was said...
 
i had a horrible experience stacking deca and tren and will never do it again.. if you do it, which i dont see the point, you are best to keep the doses very low... i can tell you this, im one and done on that stack.. i have NEVER had anything fuck with my manhood and having that feeling is something i will NEVER put myself into again, period... there are PLENTY of great stacks and performance enhancers to run... its completely unnecessary but hey, some people want to try it and learn their way... i am speaking from firsthand experience, i wont even consider it... im not saying it cannot be done and that others have not ran it successfully, because that would be untrue but personally, you couldn't fucking pay me to run it again
 
DylanGemelli said:
i had a horrible experience stacking deca and tren and will never do it again.. if you do it, which i dont see the point, you are best to keep the doses very low... i can tell you this, im one and done on that stack.. i have NEVER had anything fuck with my manhood and having that feeling is something i will NEVER put myself into again, period... there are PLENTY of great stacks and performance enhancers to run... its completely unnecessary but hey, some people want to try it and learn their way... i am speaking from firsthand experience, i wont even consider it... im not saying it cannot be done and that others have not ran it successfully, because that would be untrue but personally, you couldn't fucking pay me to run it again
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Along those lines I will NEVER do DNP again.

The feeling sucked the big one!!
 
Just an update on this subject, wicked strength and recovery. Appetite along with MK 677 is off the charts, only downside I feel is shortness of breath due to the tren but I'm good to go. I had stayed away from running two 19-nors but so far it's fucking fantastic.


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Your friend is not super well educated on the topic clearly. It can be done but not "willy nilly". You have to know what you're doing and I wouldn't attempt to teach him because he'd fuck it up.
 
There is some truth to what your friend is saying regarding Arnold and PCT. It wasn't as recognized back then as it is today. I never ran a PCT, but many of us back in the 80's didn't. It will obviously take your system that much longer to kick in.
 
as i said, it can be done but there's a lot to be concerned and aware of with it... you MUST respect the shit out that kind of cycle because when it hits you, you are going to be sorry if it hits the wrong way...
 
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