Receptors?
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Receptors never get fried. That is complete bro science. Androgen receptors are always available to uptake androgens. What in fact actually does happen, is myostatin rises during a cycle which is what inhibits muscle growth and makes gains stall. This usually happens within 8-10 weeks of a cycle where it reaches peak and you will make very little to no gains at all.
So to answer your question, it usually takes a good 10-12 weeks to bring myostatin down to baseline levels. Anybody that goes back on before that is cutting themselves short on gains because myostatin will just rise to peak that much faster since it's already not at baseline
On top of that, you should always take as much time off as you had on for health and safety reasons
Testdude63
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Ive read the 8-10 week thing, too. It confuses me a little as EQ doesn't really seem to start working much till week 8-10. So how can one make gains at that point if the above is entirely true? I know Piana and other pros say they swap out compounds every 6-8 weeks or so to combat this, but how effective can that be, especially using a long ester such as eq or deca? I'm lost lol.
Because every compound is different. EQ is slower acting so it's affect on myostatin is slower also. Faster acting things like short esters, orals, etc are going to cause myostatin to raise quicker. You could actually make myostatin hit peak about a month in if you are running enough crap that hits hard and hits fast
Don't ever listen rich potato man. That dude is a fucking joke. What I will say is this. When it comes to myostatin it's not about switching out compounds as much as it is going to a more anabolic one. For instance let's say you are on test and Deca. Well about 10 weeks in or so you don't notice much coming on, so you switch to Tren (way more anabolic). You introduce a new more powerful stimulus to the body that can overcome the myostatin barrier for a very short lived time. Maybe you can see another two weeks of gains or so. Now going from something like Tren to something less anabolic would make no sense at all and be a waste of gear. Other ways people overcome myostatin for a short time is to raise doses a bit. This is something I do myself. Usually around the 6 week mark I add in a little more to whatever cycle I'm running
When it comes down to it you always see about the same window time frame for gains. Let's use your EQ or primo as an example since those are the 16-20 week compounds. Well, when do you start to see ANYHING from them? Not usually for about 8 weeks right? That still leaves you about 8-10 weeks for gains....ya dig?
Example two. Tren ace and test P. You start seeing results and gains quickly but your gains are completely done by 8 weeks
See where I'm going with this?
Example two. Tren ace and test P. You start seeing results and gains quickly but your gains are completely done by 8 weeks
See where I'm going with this?
Testdude63
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That actually makes a lot of sense. I know some old school logic was to taper down dosing near the end, and I never understood that, and based on what you just said it makes no sense whatsoever. However, adding tren to the tail end of a blast or upping test or whatever compound your running when you hit a sticking point could help break through that barrier. Sometimes it's a diet related matter too though. So I think an increase (or decrease if you're cutting) in food with a little bump in dose might do the trick. Thanks!
And yeah, Rich is a total train wreck. I can't help but watch him sometimes though for the sheer entertainment value lol.
Jake
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Do you actually mean the receptors or when does your test return? If it is receptors that you mean then rick gave you a good explanation.
Yeah man, you NEVER want to taper down. Always taper up on cycle. Tapering down is just wasting gear and time
No problem buddy. Anytime!
BigBusiness
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So in theory you could combat myostatin. Lets just say a cycle of Test and EQ for 20 weeks, then at week 10 add Mast P. Week 13 add NPP then at week 16 add Tren Ace?
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You have somewhat of the right concept except the masteron. That won't do a thing for gains. Adding in NPP around week 12 and then Tren Ace at week 16 does make a,lot of sense though. I'm sure you could see gains all throughout.
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They've been trying to forever, but nothing has really been proven to really do a lot to myostatin levels when you are throwing high levels of androgen at it.
Now with the normal person not on anything, I'm sure you can lower myostatin somewhat with follistatin or other methods but normal people have no reason to lower it below baseline so there's no moot point
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Lol glad I could give you a good laugh bud!!
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