Prop to test e

[Iwannagofaster]

This has been hashed over a thousand times but I like to hear opinions. I've been on prop for over a year. I pin daily and am only going to test e because at some point I like to run as much of my products as possible. So hesitantly I'm going to a long ester. I don't like them because I tend to hold water on them and I like the control of changing my dosage with almost immediate results. Nevertheless, I want to speak from experience with my customers so I am switching to Norma test e for a while. Just to do some bloods and get an idea of the product.

How should I make the switch? I don't want to double up prop and e too long and I don't want to quit prop too soon and crash. I've done this several times before for cyp and I ran prop for 3 weeks while on cyp but by the 3rd week I'd bloat like a balloon.

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[DylanGemelli]

This has been hashed over a thousand times but I like to hear opinions. I've been on prop for over a year. I pin daily and am only going to test e because at some point I like to run as much of my products as possible. So hesitantly I'm going to a long ester. I don't like them because I tend to hold water on them and I like the control of changing my dosage with almost immediate results. Nevertheless, I want to speak from experience with my customers so I am switching to Norma test e for a while. Just to do some bloods and get an idea of the product.

How should I make the switch? I don't want to double up prop and e too long and I don't want to quit prop too soon and crash. I've done this several times before for cyp and I ran prop for 3 weeks while on cyp but by the 3rd week I'd bloat like a balloon.

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what are you running prop at right now brother?

 

[Iwannagofaster]

Very low. This stuff is strong. In running 12.5mg per day.

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[Jake]

Very low. This stuff is strong. In running 12.5mg per day.

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12.5? 12.5 x 7=87.5 mgs. As for the long chains holding water and short chains not holding water I very seriously doubt that. In both cases the carrier or chain is delivering the same exact test molecule.

 

[cbbram00]

I was running Test ISO @ 150 for TRT and I ran out and switched to Cyp and within 2 weeks I noticed I was holding more water. It wasn't a huge difference but it was noticeable. So I know it's possible..

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[Iwannagofaster]

12.5? 12.5 x 7=87.5 mgs. As for the long chains holding water and short chains not holding water I very seriously doubt that. In both cases the carrier or chain is delivering the same exact test molecule.

I actually have bounced between long and short often and maybe it is the amount that I take at once with long esters but no doubt I hold more water with the same dose on long esters. I usually shoot every 3-4 days with long esters so that is 3-4 times more test in one shot. It makes complete scientific sense why I would hold more water with long esters.

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[Gymjunkie38]

I generally add the long chain in a week before I drop the prop . the prop takes 4 or 5 days too fully clear and the test e will start too build around a week ther will be a little swing but not much and water retention can be controlled with diet bro .
Current cycle
750 test e
600 deca
900 EQ
50 mg DBOL daily
25mg aromisin eod
25 mg proviron ED

And Im dry as a bone dont go crazy with simple carbs and high sodium crap and keep estradial under control and no matter what you run you wont bloat

 

[RickRock]

This has been hashed over a thousand times but I like to hear opinions. I've been on prop for over a year. I pin daily and am only going to test e because at some point I like to run as much of my products as possible. So hesitantly I'm going to a long ester. I don't like them because I tend to hold water on them and I like the control of changing my dosage with almost immediate results. Nevertheless, I want to speak from experience with my customers so I am switching to Norma test e for a while. Just to do some bloods and get an idea of the product.

How should I make the switch? I don't want to double up prop and e too long and I don't want to quit prop too soon and crash. I've done this several times before for cyp and I ran prop for 3 weeks while on cyp but by the 3rd week I'd bloat like a balloon.

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I honestly wouldn't even worry about the overlap of the esters. I would start the E about 5 days before dropping the prop myself, and I seriously doubt you see any extra water retention or anything like that. If you'd like you could run half your dose prop and half enanthate for that week before switching to just the enanthate at your full dose the next week. That might make the transition even smoother, but i don't see a problem either way myself.

I've never noticed any difference in water retention between prop, enanthate, and cypiojate myself given the same test dosage


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[Gymjunkie38]

Yeah I dont notice much between esters but I run prop precontest too be dryer dont know if it actually makes a differance but I stack it with tren ace and mast prop so if I have too pin EOD might as well

 

[Gymjunkie38]

But my precontest doet is keto and i take 1500 mg of metformin on refeed days so hard too tell whats actually keeping me dry so many factors working too do the same thing

 

[RickRock]

But my precontest doet is keto and i take 1500 mg of metformin on refeed days so hard too tell whats actually keeping me dry so many factors working too do the same thing

I know a lot of guys will switch to prop and all short esters the final weeks. That's actually pretty commonplace

I personally don't do that, and definitely don't have a problem getting dry at all. I just keep in cyp along with tren E and mast e right up to show day


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[Gymjunkie38]

My first coach had me doing that it worked and I just kinda stuck with it and Ive always prefered tren ace over enth so it fits the pinning schedual . plus I run test at trt level last 4 weeks and tren arpund 700. Last week I drop test and add letro you cradh for show day but your dry as abone after the finals the bottle of suspension comes out too save the day

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[Iwannagofaster]

I generally add the long chain in a week before I drop the prop . the prop takes 4 or 5 days too fully clear and the test e will start too build around a week ther will be a little swing but not much and water retention can be controlled with diet bro .
Current cycle
750 test e
600 deca
900 EQ
50 mg DBOL daily
25mg aromisin eod
25 mg proviron ED

And Im dry as a bone dont go crazy with simple carbs and high sodium crap and keep estradial under control and no matter what you run you wont bloat

Man, I envy you. I just can't keep my water down. You and Rick rock are some lucky mofos when it comes to water retention.

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[Iwannagofaster]

My first coach had me doing that it worked and I just kinda stuck with it and Ive always prefered tren ace over enth so it fits the pinning schedual . plus I run test at trt level last 4 weeks and tren arpund 700. Last week I drop test and add letro you cradh for show day but your dry as abone after the finals the bottle of suspension comes out too save the day

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I've heard of this schedule often. That last week adding Letro just milks the water right out.

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[Gymjunkie38]

I've heard of this schedule often. That last week adding Letro just milks the water right out.

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Yea but you crush estrogen makes you look like a beast on stage but feel like shit and your sex drive is gone joints ache .cant be done long term just a day or 2

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[cbbram00]

Yea but you crush estrogen makes you look like a beast on stage but feel like shit and your sex drive is gone joints ache .cant be done long term just a day or 2

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I don't know if I've ever crushed my estrogen but when I take Aromasin every day there's always a point when my joints start hurting and I feel weak and lose strength. I hold back on the Aromasin for a few days and I slowly return to normal. I don't think I'd be willing to take anything stronger than Aromasin... The "low estrogen" feeling is not a good one.

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[Iwannagofaster]

Yea but you crush estrogen makes you look like a beast on stage but feel like shit and your sex drive is gone joints ache .cant be done long term just a day or 2

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I agree. That's why I try to run trt. Just low enough where I don't need an AI. I really don't like them but for a stage guy on the last week before competition, Letro is King.

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[Iwannagofaster]

I don't know if I've ever crushed my estrogen but when I take Aromasin every day there's always a point when my joints start hurting and I feel weak and lose strength. I hold back on the Aromasin for a few days and I slowly return to normal. I don't think I'd be willing to take anything stronger than Aromasin... The "low estrogen" feeling is not a good one.

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I've crushed my estrogen a few times. Miserable. Tired. Dry skin. Irritable. No sex drive. Joint pain. I hate it.

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[Gymjunkie38]

You can go higher with an ai and not crush estrogen you just want to keep it in the physiological range above 15 and below 25 play with the dose and when you feel your best and water retention is minimal go get labs too see where your at then fine tune from there .

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[Gymjunkie38]

I meant higher test dose too be clear

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