Ostarine question

[prikason]

Hey Dylan,

Short version: I'm 44 years old and have had messed up shoulders since my early 20's (tore both my rotator cuffs, and did additional damage to my left one since then) and am also prone to other joint injuries. I've tried Ostarine two times.

The first time starting late last fall at 25mg/day for 5 weeks, and honestly I felt better but I couldn't really tell you if it was the result of the ostarine or just a good few weeks.

I decided to give it another try right now, and I'm at almost 7 weeks @ 20mg/day (10mg morning and 10 night), and my shoulders feel better than, well ever, even before I injured them. I've also gained 16lbs and lost 3% bodyfat in the process (I know, that sounds crazy but I'm really not doing anything else, no TRT, just my home brew pre-workout and lots of food).

Questions:
1- can I continue running running Ostarine or should I cut it off for a few weeks when I run out (after this week) at 8 weeks? I know everyone seems to say to cycle it for 4-8weeks on and then at least 4 weeks off, but I'm finally getting to the point that I can lift my arms over my head without pain, I don't particularly want to stop it.
2- I just saw your video and you suggest a mini PCT. I didn't have any noticeable issues with the first cycle, higher dose but shorter time is it likely I need one if i stop now? Is there something that you can recommend that I can get OTC/online?
3- If I do end up getting long term improvement with my shoulders (I am almost at the point where I can get my left arm far enough back to squat again and I'm benching almost 400 now and haven't been able to do more than 185 without severe pain for over 20years) I may at some point decide to try to enter a powerlifting competition, it looks like ostarine is banned by most sanctioning bodies, how long does it take to get out of your system (it's not like I planned this, I didn't think I would ever have enough range of motion in my left arm again to do this kind of thing)?
4- is there a point in stacking it with something else for this kind of use? Honestly I'm mostly in it for the joint improvements, but I'm not against the muscle gain either .

 

[9th Wonder]

Run Ostarine 12 weeks at 25mg a day. You need to up your dose. Take it all at once, no need to split dosages due to the longer half life take it all at once.

12 weeks on and 3-4 weeks off after your mini PCT. www.sarmsx.com has everything you need to run a adequate pct.

Here is the layout for the healing and recovery stack... you would continue mk677 after you complete the cycle...

1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 daa

Mini pct 13-16

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey Dylan,

Short version: I'm 44 years old and have had messed up shoulders since my early 20's (tore both my rotator cuffs, and did additional damage to my left one since then) and am also prone to other joint injuries. I've tried Ostarine two times.

The first time starting late last fall at 25mg/day for 5 weeks, and honestly I felt better but I couldn't really tell you if it was the result of the ostarine or just a good few weeks.

I decided to give it another try right now, and I'm at almost 7 weeks @ 20mg/day (10mg morning and 10 night), and my shoulders feel better than, well ever, even before I injured them. I've also gained 16lbs and lost 3% bodyfat in the process (I know, that sounds crazy but I'm really not doing anything else, no TRT, just my home brew pre-workout and lots of food).

Questions:
1- can I continue running running Ostarine or should I cut it off for a few weeks when I run out (after this week) at 8 weeks? I know everyone seems to say to cycle it for 4-8weeks on and then at least 4 weeks off, but I'm finally getting to the point that I can lift my arms over my head without pain, I don't particularly want to stop it.
2- I just saw your video and you suggest a mini PCT. I didn't have any noticeable issues with the first cycle, higher dose but shorter time is it likely I need one if i stop now? Is there something that you can recommend that I can get OTC/online?
3- If I do end up getting long term improvement with my shoulders (I am almost at the point where I can get my left arm far enough back to squat again and I'm benching almost 400 now and haven't been able to do more than 185 without severe pain for over 20years) I may at some point decide to try to enter a powerlifting competition, it looks like ostarine is banned by most sanctioning bodies, how long does it take to get out of your system (it's not like I planned this, I didn't think I would ever have enough range of motion in my left arm again to do this kind of thing)?
4- is there a point in stacking it with something else for this kind of use? Honestly I'm mostly in it for the joint improvements, but I'm not against the muscle gain either .

ostarine is amazing to say the least... it has such a variety of benefits that it makes it the backbone of any sarms cycle.. you are not running your cycles correctly whatsoever and your talking reckless... you cannot just stay on something permanently, aside from test, without having adverse reactions.... the worst being you will desensitize and then you won't respond to it anymore thus meaning you would not be able to use it at all, which i doubt you would want... HOWEVER, i have good news for you on a different front... MK677 CAN be ran continuously all year and it is HUGE for healing... you need to have the QUALITY though and im not sure if you do or not... where did you get your sarms? you will not find better quality than at www.sarmsx.com I am going to give you the healing and recovery stack layout and the link to purchase it... You can continue to stay on mk677 after you complete your mini pct and then after 3 weeks, you can start another cycle... you ONLY need to take about 3 weeks off after you complete a cycle and you can jump right back on... https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/healing-and-recovery-stack-12-weeks-2?sort=p.price&order=DESC


here is a layout of the cycle...

1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
mk677 25 mg day

 

[AsapSlim]

What are the benefits to a ostarine only cycle? JW

 

[RickRock]

What are the benefits to a ostarine only cycle? JW

It's a wonderful recomposition agent. It works great for gaining lean mass and losing bodyfat with moderate strength gains. Obviously the healing benefits are also a big plus

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[rockmfhudd]

bro I would def lay off the damn bench you are gonna blow your shoulder again. you can do plenty of other exercises for chest besides benching 400 lbs. and yes I agree 12 weeks with a 3-4 week off pct and back on you may also look into what dylna laid out 677 is frickin awesome I am on month 6 and you can run it for a year

 

[GrolarBear]

Yea! I finally got on here (was having some issues with the board).

I'm the original person that asked Dylan this question.

At this point it's been a little over 3 weeks since i stopped taking the ostarine, since I didn't have an answer on the PCT I didn't run one and honestly I didn't feel or notice any difference (performance in the gym or outside if you know what I mean).

 

[GrolarBear]

Run Ostarine 12 weeks at 25mg a day. You need to up your dose. Take it all at once, no need to split dosages due to the longer half life take it all at once.

Why do I "need" to up my dose or take it all at once. Running 20mg/day, 10 in the morning and 10 before bed I gained 16lbs and lost a little over 1% bodyfat (by the numbers I went from 236 to 252 and gained 13lbs of lean bodymass), I'd call that a killer result for a 40something year old not doing anything else.

I did run 25mg the first time I tried it (15morning and 10bedtime), and the reason I tried less was that I was primarily doing it for my joints so I wanted to do it longer. I figured a smaller dose is safer for longer.

As far as why I split it morn/night, well I know that it has a 24 hour halflife but decided that if i took it when I woke up then I'd be at about 1/2 the concentration most of the night, when you do most of your growing. I could take it all at night but I liked the idea of constantly keeping the levels in my bloodstream at the maximum that that dose would give me.

 

[GrolarBear]

Here is the layout for the healing and recovery stack... you would continue mk677 after you complete the cycle...

1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 daa

Mini pct 13-16

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

and

here is a layout of the cycle...

1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16


clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
mk677 25 mg day

Well you guys mostly agree there.

I'm a little curious about the LGD-4033 in a healing/recovery stack. I've heard of a bunch of people complain about sore joints with it.

the d asparic acid is curious also, everything I've read has shown little correlation and what it does do for test production only lasts a week or 2 before it re-stabilizes

Why is GW-501516 in everyone's mini PCT? As far as i can tell all it does is burn fat.

 

[GrolarBear]

ostarine is amazing to say the least... it has such a variety of benefits that it makes it the backbone of any sarms cycle.. you are not running your cycles correctly whatsoever and your talking reckless... you cannot just stay on something permanently, aside from test, without having adverse reactions.... the worst being you will desensitize and then you won't respond to it anymore thus meaning you would not be able to use it at all, which i doubt you would want... HOWEVER, i have good news for you on a different front... MK677 CAN be ran continuously all year and it is HUGE for healing... you need to have the QUALITY though and im not sure if you do or not... where did you get your sarms? you will not find better quality than at www.sarmsx.com I am going to give you the healing and recovery stack layout and the link to purchase it... You can continue to stay on mk677 after you complete your mini pct and then after 3 weeks, you can start another cycle... you ONLY need to take about 3 weeks off after you complete a cycle and you can jump right back on... https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/healing-and-recovery-stack-12-weeks-2?sort=p.price&order=DESC

Again, I'm not sure what makes it "not running my cycles correctly whatsoever?" Both times I ran it for less than 8 weeks, and was off or almost 2 months between the 2 and I've been off almost a month this time.

The ostarine that I was using was Olympus Labs, honestly I don't have a good idea of the quality and I bought the stuff before I did any real research.

bro I would def lay off the damn bench you are gonna blow your shoulder again. you can do plenty of other exercises for chest besides benching 400 lbs. and yes I agree 12 weeks with a 3-4 week off pct and back on you may also look into what dylna laid out 677 is frickin awesome I am on month 6 and you can run it for a year

honestly, I've gone from someone with messed up shoulders that barely benched to someone that added 165# to my bench in the last year and a fraction, maybe 10% the shoulder pain that I've had for the last 20 years or so, whatever I've been doing I'm going to keep doing unless I find a better way or it stops working.

 

[GrolarBear]

To be honest with you guys I don't want to sink that much money into this yet. Here's what I'm thinking (and I'd really appreciate input on this even if you think it's crazy):

- MK677, probably 15-25mg/day long term
- clomid- i've been hearing about this replacing TRT in some cases as a safer way of getting your T levels up. I'm 44 and not on TRT, but I'm betting my T levels are not as high as they were 20 or so years ago, so I'm thinking of trying to run a low dose (not sure what) of clomid daily long term
- MK-2866 for 4 weeks at 20mg/day
- LGD-4033 for the next 4 weeks probably 10mg/day
- I'm not sure what's next, either 4 weeks of GW-501516, go back to the ostarine and start over or take 4 weeks off and just do the MK677 and clomid

My thougth process is kind of like this:
the MK677 gets my GH levels up, the clomid gets my T levels up and then I cycle through some additional assistance/healing from the ostarine and LGD-4033 (and may be add a little 4 week cut with the GW501516 after 8 weeks

 

[GrolarBear]

What the heck??? Why did one post in between those 2 (it's not up right now) answering some of Dylan's questions not get posted and require administrator approval???

 

[RickRock]

Why do I "need" to up my dose or take it all at once. Running 20mg/day, 10 in the morning and 10 before bed I gained 16lbs and lost a little over 1% bodyfat (by the numbers I went from 236 to 252 and gained 13lbs of lean bodymass), I'd call that a killer result for a 40something year old not doing anything else.

I did run 25mg the first time I tried it (15morning and 10bedtime), and the reason I tried less was that I was primarily doing it for my joints so I wanted to do it longer. I figured a smaller dose is safer for longer.

As far as why I split it morn/night, well I know that it has a 24 hour halflife but decided that if i took it when I woke up then I'd be at about 1/2 the concentration most of the night, when you do most of your growing. I could take it all at night but I liked the idea of constantly keeping the levels in my bloodstream at the maximum that that dose would give me.

The 25mg dose of Ostarine is the recommended dose, and there's honestly no reason to use less. And also so you know there is a 24 hour half life on it, so it literally makes zero sense to split the dose. You have to understand how half lives work and compounding to reach peak concentration to understand how this works. Doses overlap because of remaining active compound after half life, so once you reach peak concentration you are doing yourself no benefit whatsoever splitting that dose

 

[RickRock]

and



Well you guys mostly agree there.

I'm a little curious about the LGD-4033 in a healing/recovery stack. I've heard of a bunch of people complain about sore joints with it.

the d asparic acid is curious also, everything I've read has shown little correlation and what it does do for test production only lasts a week or 2 before it re-stabilizes

Why is GW-501516 in everyone's mini PCT? As far as i can tell all it does is burn fat.

Sore joints on a healing stack? Who are these people you speak of? That's impossible considering it gives the opposite effect because it helps heal and recover joint pain

GW in pct has been covered a thousand times. It reduces cortisol which rises post cycle and eats away muscle because of its catabolic properties. It also helps prevent fat gain post cycle when hormone levels are low and partition nutrients for more anabolism.

 

[RickRock]

ostarine is amazing to say the least... it has such a variety of benefits that it makes it the backbone of any sarms cycle.. you are not running your cycles correctly whatsoever and your talking reckless... you cannot just stay on something permanently, aside from test, without having adverse reactions.... the worst being you will desensitize and then you won't respond to it anymore thus meaning you would not be able to use it at all, which i doubt you would want... HOWEVER, i have good news for you on a different front... MK677 CAN be ran continuously all year and it is HUGE for healing... you need to have the QUALITY though and im not sure if you do or not... where did you get your sarms? you will not find better quality than at www.sarmsx.com I am going to give you the healing and recovery stack layout and the link to purchase it... You can continue to stay on mk677 after you complete your mini pct and then after 3 weeks, you can start another cycle... you ONLY need to take about 3 weeks off after you complete a cycle and you can jump right back on... https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/healing-and-recovery-stack-12-weeks-2?sort=p.price&order=DESC

Again, I'm not sure what makes it "not running my cycles correctly whatsoever?" Both times I ran it for less than 8 weeks, and was off or almost 2 months between the 2 and I've been off almost a month this time.

The ostarine that I was using was Olympus Labs, honestly I don't have a good idea of the quality and I bought the stuff before I did any real research.



honestly, I've gone from someone with messed up shoulders that barely benched to someone that added 165# to my bench in the last year and a fraction, maybe 10% the shoulder pain that I've had for the last 20 years or so, whatever I've been doing I'm going to keep doing unless I find a better way or it stops working.

Ya man Olympus labs is not a good source at all. They are capsulated and not even sarms at all. They are known to contain prohormones

 

[RickRock]

To be honest with you guys I don't want to sink that much money into this yet. Here's what I'm thinking (and I'd really appreciate input on this even if you think it's crazy):

- MK677, probably 15-25mg/day long term
- clomid- i've been hearing about this replacing TRT in some cases as a safer way of getting your T levels up. I'm 44 and not on TRT, but I'm betting my T levels are not as high as they were 20 or so years ago, so I'm thinking of trying to run a low dose (not sure what) of clomid daily long term
- MK-2866 for 4 weeks at 20mg/day
- LGD-4033 for the next 4 weeks probably 10mg/day
- I'm not sure what's next, either 4 weeks of GW-501516, go back to the ostarine and start over or take 4 weeks off and just do the MK677 and clomid

My thougth process is kind of like this:
the MK677 gets my GH levels up, the clomid gets my T levels up and then I cycle through some additional assistance/healing from the ostarine and LGD-4033 (and may be add a little 4 week cut with the GW501516 after 8 weeks

Your stack looks fine but you need to run the right dosages and lengths or you are selling yourself short. Also make sure you get legit stuff this time and use www.sarmsx.com

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 MK-677 25mg per day dosed in the am
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[GrolarBear]

RickRock, can you re-read my stack? Based on your response I think you missed what I was trying to do...

 

[GrolarBear]

to try to put it in your terms:
1-24 MK677 15-25mg/day
1-24 clomid, not sure what dose
1-4 Ostarine probably do 20mg again
5-8 LGD-4033 10mg/day
9-12 not sure, either nothing, GW-510516 20mg/day or restart the Ostarine
13-24 restart the Ostrarine and then the LGD if I didn't at 9-12

 

[RickRock]

RickRock, can you re-read my stack? Based on your response I think you missed what I was trying to do...

I see what you put bro, but I don't see the sense in doing these little short 4 week bursts of compounds. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me

You are right in your thinking with the mk-677 but I don't agree with the rest of it

 

[GrolarBear]

Ok, what about the clomid?

and if you're taking clomid do you think you could go osta, LGD, osta, LGD a few times without stopping, or would a break with GW-510516 make sense?

Originally i was thinking 6 week bursts but from what I'm thinking, what I would really like to do is 4 weeks Ostarine, 4 weeks LGD, 4 weeks Ostarine, 4 weeks LGD, then 2-4 weeks GW-510516 and if it works start over from there, taking Mk-677 and clomid the whole time.