My first cutting cycle

[sushant4209211]

I want to start my first cutting cycle for cutting using test prop, winstrol and proviron
I am 5ft8in 170lbs 18 %body fat. Dieting and training completely on track.
Can you please recommend me the dosage for each of the 3 for a short cycle and maximum results. I understand that I will have to inject every other day.
Also i need suggestions for an effective pct.

Specially if dylan..... You could suggest that would be great......

 

[DylanGemelli]

I want to start my first cutting cycle for cutting using test prop, winstrol and proviron
I am 5ft8in 170lbs 18 %body fat. Dieting and training completely on track.
Can you please recommend me the dosage for each of the 3 for a short cycle and maximum results. I understand that I will have to inject every other day.
Also i need suggestions for an effective pct.

Specially if dylan..... You could suggest that would be great......

hey bro... welcome to adrenaline rush... before we discuss any sort of cycle.. a few things bro... 1. your body fat is far too high for a steroid cycle at this point 2. what is your previous steroid cycle history? 3. how old are you?

 

[sushant4209211]

Thanks for the suggestion dylan...i understand that my body fat% is high at this point.... however i plan to start this cycle 1 or 1.5 months from today.... so i have ample time to further reduce to about 15% or so...
2. I am 25 years of age and this would be my first cycle....
3. My genetics are to bulk up and hold water.... but my goal is to cut and lean down.... hence mentioned the test prop winstrol and proviron cycle....
I have watched pretty much all yr youtube videos and found them very informative. Also i am very particular of running a pct like you say.....

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks for the suggestion dylan...i understand that my body fat% is high at this point.... however i plan to start this cycle 1 or 1.5 months from today.... so i have ample time to further reduce to about 15% or so...
2. I am 25 years of age and this would be my first cycle....
3. My genetics are to bulk up and hold water.... but my goal is to cut and lean down.... hence mentioned the test prop winstrol and proviron cycle....
I have watched pretty much all yr youtube videos and found them very informative. Also i am very particular of running a pct like you say.....

you do need to understand steroids are not fat burners so if your attempting to lose a bunch of weight then steroids are not for you... also understand that test prop is not the best option on a first cycle.. your just acclimating to pinning and having to pin every other day is not the best way to start... if your confident you can do it then i'll lay you out a cycle and pct that would be most effective

1-10 test prop 100 mg eod
1-10 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-10 proviron 50 mg day
1-10 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-10 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
5-10 winstrol 50 mg day
5-10 cycle assist
7-10 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 11-14

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[sushant4209211]

Thanks bro..... i completely understand your take on steroids being used as fat burners and i completely agree with you on that.... hence i put test.p along with it... i so much appreciate that you put together a cycle for me.... like you always suggest in your videos of being responsible and health. Longevity.... even i stand by the same rules. I asked you today as it will takeme time to accumulate all these products in india(where i stay).
Just a doubt..... this is a 10 week cycle right ???

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks bro..... i completely understand your take on steroids being used as fat burners and i completely agree with you on that.... hence i put test.p along with it... i so much appreciate that you put together a cycle for me.... like you always suggest in your videos of being responsible and health. Longevity.... even i stand by the same rules. I asked you today as it will takeme time to accumulate all these products in india(where i stay).
Just a doubt..... this is a 10 week cycle right ???

yes the weeks are listed for you... you can get the GW, S4 and MK shipped to you from www.pureessencesarms.com... they will ship to your country... in not sure what else you have access to.... you should have no problem with any of these..

 

[sushant4209211]

I really appreciate all yr help.... can i also add a liver support and a d-aspartic acid based supplement in my pct cycle???

 

[RickRock]

I really appreciate all yr help.... can i also add a liver support and a d-aspartic acid based supplement in my pct cycle???

Yes you definitely can. Cycle assist from CEL is a good cycle support and you can find DAA just about anywhere.

 

[mastermolnar]

Gotta agree with dylan here about the propionate. Is there a reason you are leaning toward propionate, despite the low rate of aromatization? You could manage your water retention with a longer, less painful ester with your aromasin doage. My first cycle was propionate so it can certainly be done, but it was painful and uncomfortable to inject eod into Virgin muscle. Juat a thought

 

[sushant4209211]

My reason is basically its a shorter ester.... better quality.... better absorption.... lesser sides than other longer esters...... what do you suggestt?????

 

[mastermolnar]

Test cyp or sustanon possibly. And just keep an eye on your retention and adjust your AI accordingly. What dylan laid out is on point, I just know that from my experience the prop wasnt the best first cycle choice and wouldnt suggest it to others. I have a pretty high pain tolerance but I tell you my ass cheeks were both welted and swollen for months and my girlfriend said I looked like I had ass implants.

I dont agree with the statement "better quality." The quality to me where the scales balance between benefit and sacrifice. If you cant lift legs because its excruciating and painful while on cycle, then what good is that extra 15% total test? Again, just sharing my experience

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: My first cutting cycle

My reason is basically its a shorter ester.... better quality.... better absorption.... lesser sides than other longer esters...... what do you suggestt?????

For a first cycle I don't ever recommend short esters because of increased PIP and frequent injections. It's not a very good way to enter the injectible world.

I would recommend 12 weeks of Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate instead

 

[sushant4209211]

Are the injections that painful???

 

[mastermolnar]

Are the injections that painful???

It all depends on your injection technique but yes short esters are painful. That pain is amplified by virgin muscle and an inexperienced injection technique.

Watch some videos on YouTube but I generally insert needle swiftly into a relaxed muscle, push oil at 10-20 seconds per ml, leave needle in motionless for an additional 10-20 seconds per ml then remove swiftly.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Are the injections that painful???

they are definitely more painful than a longer ester... i think you have a very strong misconception on a longer estered test... if you control your estrogen properly, you don't have the concerns that your thinking... test prop is really nothing special like your thinking at all... don't get mis led with bro science bs... the things about test prop is it has more actual test each injection but then you have to pin more often, not run it as long etc... it all equates... i would highly recommending going with test cyp as opposed to test prop...

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 proviron 50 mg day
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
9-14 winstrol 50 mg day
9-14 cycle assist
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[sushant4209211]

This is also a good one

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

This is also a good one

I would run the cycle that Dylan mapped out for you bro, you will like the test cyp and have a much more pleasant experience

 

[Bio-Tech]

1-10 Test prop 100mg eod
1-8 Winstrol 50mg ed
1-10 Masteron 100mg eod
1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
10-14 Clomid 50/50/25/25 mg ed
10-14 Nolva 50/50/25/25 mg ed

 

[MrChristian]

Hey there! I thought I would weigh in here with the perspective of a guy who is only 1 week into his first cycle using Test Cyp + Aromasin. With Test Cyp I'm only having to inject once per week and trust me, it's enough. I highly recommend giving yourself some time to acclimate to giving yourself injections with Test Cyp. I had never given myself injections before and I'm definitely dealing with some PIP for several days after each injection. It would SUCK SUCK SUCK to have to give myself an injection every two days right now. Seriously, I don't think you're going to be a happy camper if you go that route. Unless you just love pain. Some people do.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey there! I thought I would weigh in here with the perspective of a guy who is only 1 week into his first cycle using Test Cyp + Aromasin. With Test Cyp I'm only having to inject once per week and trust me, it's enough. I highly recommend giving yourself some time to acclimate to giving yourself injections with Test Cyp. I had never given myself injections before and I'm definitely dealing with some PIP for several days after each injection. It would SUCK SUCK SUCK to have to give myself an injection every two days right now. Seriously, I don't think you're going to be a happy camper if you go that route. Unless you just love pain. Some people do.

thanks for providing this insight and experience... its wonderful to have someone in the same boat providing their experience to help another understand what is ahead...