I want to start my first cycle. Please help

[Almoqatel]

Hellow everyone

Im 27 years old.
181cm height
106kg weight.
Lifting since i was 17 on and off.
Average BP 105/60
27% body fat.

I gained alot of muscle thro the years of training also i have a LOT of strenght. Been losing fat and gaining it back rapidly its a never ending battle me vs the godamn fats. And now im thinking to much of steroids. Iwant to start my first cycle and im looking to have a safe one. Im not looking for dramatic muscle gains. Whats the best for me? (This will be my first cycle ever and i prefere not to cycle again)

 

[SpikedEggnog]

Sorry dude but at 27% BF, i would NOT suggest AAS of any kind..you really need to get that DIET in check and lower your Fat first..

 

[TX TERROR]

Re: RE: Re: I want to start my first cycle. Please help

Sorry dude but at 27% BF, i would NOT suggest AAS of any kind..you really need to get that DIET in check and lower your Fat first..

I fully agree man. No place for AAS till you get your diet in check and training on point. You get some basic supplementation in there or maybe take the sarms aproach first but AAS is not to be used as a shortcut. It's to take you to the next level of capability. There's a lot more you can achieve naturaly first.

I'd say till you get yourself down to 12-14% with a good foundatuin don't even bother.

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[TX TERROR]

Also I'd you prefer not to cycle again there is no point at all in touching anabolic steroids. Your body will always always always revert back to natural potential.

Look at Ronnie Coleman. Or any washed up BB'er. The moment you stop you begin the drop to natural limitation.

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[Cyrexx]

Hey OP, they ^^^ are both correct. If your struggling with keeping you bodyfat level to where you want them to be, you still have not gotten your diet in check. When making the transition from natural lifting to assisted (ie with AAS), it should ideally be when you are ready to take it to the next level. This cross-over should preferably be done when your diet and training is in check;this means you know your body well and how it reacts to simpler variables like diet and training.

Now I know this isnt the answer you wanted to hear but there is more behind it. Taking AAS when at a higher bodyfat will increase the aromatizing process of exo testosterone. This being said, you estrogen levels will increase, you will most likely gain more fat ( especially if your diet isnt in check) and you can get gyno (development of male breast tissue). Some say taking an aromatase inhibitor will strop the aromatizing in the first place, but IMO, I believe you should control what you can (ie your bodyfat levels) and let drugs control what you cannot. For example, you can control the fact that your higher bodyfat levels will result in more aromatizing than if you were leaner. But lets say you were leaner, then it would be the drugs that would combat the inevitable conversion to estro with certain compounds.

This being said, if you were to hop on gear despite all of this, you will most probably be disappointed granted your current diet and training regimen. Give yourself another 2 years to to figure out what works for you in the gym, work out consistently (no on and off nonsense) and get you diet in check. If you struggling with dieting and rebounding afterwards , try something like flexible dieting so that you never feel deprived during a cut and then splurge after it.

Take care OP, be wise

 

[drb_iac]

Bro look..I think you see the answer here, so let me just add something. I saw a guy with 30%bf do a cycle after I spent an hour telling him why he shouln't. Well he did it anyway and test made a lot of estrogen that loves to hang around in fat. So this guy actualluy got a fatter ass and smaller shoulders.

Now I had a similar situation with a guy who was 6ft and 260. I told him when he got to 170 we could talk. Well he did. He came back a skinny 160. Lost 100lbs. He worked out for one year and then took 200mg test. That cycle worked wonders on him. I am convinced that the less BF the better the aas work.

 

[JM750]

I totally agree. You have a high B/F and run a cycle of test, if you don't already have bitch tits, then you better start shopping for some training bra's..

 

[RickRock]

Bro look..I think you see the answer here, so let me just add something. I saw a guy with 30%bf do a cycle after I spent an hour telling him why he shouln't. Well he did it anyway and test made a lot of estrogen that loves to hang around in fat. So this guy actualluy got a fatter ass and smaller shoulders.

Now I had a similar situation with a guy who was 6ft and 260. I told him when he got to 170 we could talk. Well he did. He came back a skinny 160. Lost 100lbs. He worked out for one year and then took 200mg test. That cycle worked wonders on him. I am convinced that the less BF the better the aas work.

Well said, and the absolute truth. This is why I always encourage others to try and consistently stay lean, without any big bulks every year. A lot of my friends wonder why I never have estrogen sides, and seem to get much more out of a cycle, and the real reason is because I stay very lean. My body converts more to useable test to build muscle, rather than estrogen which will make you fatter. Compounds can work 10 times better when you are in a good shape bodyfat wise.

 

[RickRock]

Bro, you really need to work on getting your diet right and into better shape. You are definitely not in proper shape for steroids. There is a great alternative to steroids, that can help you add muscle and strength while dropping bodyfat. I suggest going with a sarms stack. Using the right kind of stack gives you synergy between the different sarms to give you an incredible effect from the different benefits each one carries. Your diet is still going to be the utmost importance in order to benefit the most from the cycle, as with anything. Here is the layout and protocol

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.


PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

You can check out all the information and articles on these sarms from www.pureessencesarms.com as well as purchase them in the highest quality available anywhere

If you have any questions, be sure to let me know!

 

[TexasTrash]

By now Im sure this sounds redundant but you need to bring BF down. Seen too many cases of guys disappointed with results or look even worse when jumping on while at a high BF. In fact, its why I still havent ever run a true cycle (currently ~13% BF and still paranoid about it being too high to blast). I was active when I started TRT and I blew up (not in a good way) because I wasnt dialed in on diet.

 

[Almoqatel]

Thanks everbody ! I appreciate every answer here i will do my research on Sarms

 

[drb_iac]

Bro look..I think you see the answer here, so let me just add something. I saw a guy with 30%bf do a cycle after I spent an hour telling him why he shouln't. Well he did it anyway and test made a lot of estrogen that loves to hang around in fat. So this guy actualluy got a fatter ass and smaller shoulders.

Now I had a similar situation with a guy who was 6ft and 260. I told him when he got to 170 we could talk. Well he did. He came back a skinny 160. Lost 100lbs. He worked out for one year and then took 200mg test. That cycle worked wonders on him. I am convinced that the less BF the better the aas work.

Well said, and the absolute truth. This is why I always encourage others to try and consistently stay lean, without any big bulks every year. A lot of my friends wonder why I never have estrogen sides, and seem to get much more out of a cycle, and the real reason is because I stay very lean. My body converts more to useable test to build muscle, rather than estrogen which will make you fatter. Compounds can work 10 times better when you are in a good shape bodyfat wise.

Totally agree bro! I get so tired of hearing "bulking cycle" "cutting cycle", "cutting stack of aas". I have never done any of that. You choose the stack that you need, and keep calories at 500 above, or 500 below, or maintainence. All of this using heavy gear and eating a dozen donuts cause you are bulking is BS. You get your self lean and you stay there.I am sure that is why I have never had estrogen sides even without oct. My first 10 cycles had no oct or pct, but I started out very thin. If you are carrying too much fat then you will produce more estrogen and estrogen is very comfortable hanging out in fat. Nothing good comes from eating too much and getting fat...or as they say ..bulking up.
Here is how I do it. Start a 16 week cycle and eat 500 calories above maintainence.When the cycle is done I eat 500 calories below maintainence for two weeks and the at maintainence for the rest of the year. I used to do 2- 12 week cycles per year, but now I do one 14-16 week cycle. As soon as I turn 67, or as soon as my test levels change, I will begin trt. At present my natural test is 500ng/dl, so I am preparing to go trt. My trt will be 125 sus and 50mg cyp. The 175 mg will be equally divided into 2 weekly injections.

This is important...do not bulk!

 

[Bio-Tech]

Nice slow cruises. To be honest, I don't believe that steroids would definitely be off the table.

I would recommend getting some bloods done. If your test is low, you will naturally hold on to a little fat. you can get on a low test and low tren cruise. It will eat away fat a little at a time and help you get to a much leaner state over time.

 

[JackSteel]

Sorry dude but at 27% BF, i would NOT suggest AAS of any kind..you really need to get that DIET in check and lower your Fat first..

This, and no offense, but the "on and off" training kinda cancels out the 17 years. AAS Is for when you you've been in the gym week in and week out busting your ass for a few years and need help to grow further. Steroids aren't fat burners. Do you use a preworkout drink?


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[JackSteel]

Nice slow cruises. To be honest, I don't believe that steroids would definitely be off the table.

I would recommend getting some bloods done. If your test is low, you will naturally hold on to a little fat. you can get on a low test and low tren cruise. It will eat away fat a little at a time and help you get to a much leaner state over time.

No offense bro but that's an awful idea for him. Cruise on tren and test at 27% bf and no offense to the OP but it doesn't look like he has a solid foundation to build on yet so throwing tren in there would risk injury because of strength increase to name one thing. If he has low Test then of course TRT is warranted but tren no fucking way for a first cycle. I know some people have done that and got away with it but IMO TRT is the most he should be on right now. Still bros just had to give my .2 cents


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[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: I want to start my first cycle. Please help

Bro look..I think you see the answer here, so let me just add something. I saw a guy with 30%bf do a cycle after I spent an hour telling him why he shouln't. Well he did it anyway and test made a lot of estrogen that loves to hang around in fat. So this guy actualluy got a fatter ass and smaller shoulders.

Now I had a similar situation with a guy who was 6ft and 260. I told him when he got to 170 we could talk. Well he did. He came back a skinny 160. Lost 100lbs. He worked out for one year and then took 200mg test. That cycle worked wonders on him. I am convinced that the less BF the better the aas work.

Well said, and the absolute truth. This is why I always encourage others to try and consistently stay lean, without any big bulks every year. A lot of my friends wonder why I never have estrogen sides, and seem to get much more out of a cycle, and the real reason is because I stay very lean. My body converts more to useable test to build muscle, rather than estrogen which will make you fatter. Compounds can work 10 times better when you are in a good shape bodyfat wise.

Totally agree bro! I get so tired of hearing "bulking cycle" "cutting cycle", "cutting stack of aas". I have never done any of that. You choose the stack that you need, and keep calories at 500 above, or 500 below, or maintainence. All of this using heavy gear and eating a dozen donuts cause you are bulking is BS. You get your self lean and you stay there.I am sure that is why I have never had estrogen sides even without oct. My first 10 cycles had no oct or pct, but I started out very thin. If you are carrying too much fat then you will produce more estrogen and estrogen is very comfortable hanging out in fat. Nothing good comes from eating too much and getting fat...or as they say ..bulking up.
Here is how I do it. Start a 16 week cycle and eat 500 calories above maintainence.When the cycle is done I eat 500 calories below maintainence for two weeks and the at maintainence for the rest of the year. I used to do 2- 12 week cycles per year, but now I do one 14-16 week cycle. As soon as I turn 67, or as soon as my test levels change, I will begin trt. At present my natural test is 500ng/dl, so I am preparing to go trt. My trt will be 125 sus and 50mg cyp. The 175 mg will be equally divided into 2 weekly injections.

This is important...do not bulk!

That's exactly how I do it as well brother. Never any big increases or defecits. Just 500 over or under is all you need, and your cycles will go much smoother and safer while getting more out of them at the same time!! Too many guys use the term "bulk" as an excuse to pack in food and eat shitty, then look like total shit afterwards. After cutting and cleaning all the crap up, they are right back to square one where they started. Makes no sense to me

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey OP, they ^^^ are both correct. If your struggling with keeping you bodyfat level to where you want them to be, you still have not gotten your diet in check. When making the transition from natural lifting to assisted (ie with AAS), it should ideally be when you are ready to take it to the next level. This cross-over should preferably be done when your diet and training is in check;this means you know your body well and how it reacts to simpler variables like diet and training.

Now I know this isnt the answer you wanted to hear but there is more behind it. Taking AAS when at a higher bodyfat will increase the aromatizing process of exo testosterone. This being said, you estrogen levels will increase, you will most likely gain more fat ( especially if your diet isnt in check) and you can get gyno (development of male breast tissue). Some say taking an aromatase inhibitor will strop the aromatizing in the first place, but IMO, I believe you should control what you can (ie your bodyfat levels) and let drugs control what you cannot. For example, you can control the fact that your higher bodyfat levels will result in more aromatizing than if you were leaner. But lets say you were leaner, then it would be the drugs that would combat the inevitable conversion to estro with certain compounds.

This being said, if you were to hop on gear despite all of this, you will most probably be disappointed granted your current diet and training regimen. Give yourself another 2 years to to figure out what works for you in the gym, work out consistently (no on and off nonsense) and get you diet in check. If you struggling with dieting and rebounding afterwards , try something like flexible dieting so that you never feel deprived during a cut and then splurge after it.

Take care OP, be wise

Nice first post brother! very well said and exactly what i was thinking as well... Not to mention, many dont' realize that with an elevated body fat, there is a far greater likelihood of other issues going on or things that one is more susceptible to... one being elevated blood pressure or high amount of internal strain already present... probable cholesterol problems etc.. these types of issues are the last thing you want to have present when running steroids, which generally already have a pronounced effect on these areas to begin with.. its just not wise in any way...

sarms would be very ideal to start with .. you have the ability to melt fat, build lean muscle in the process, make rapid progress etc... at your current body fat, its evident that you need a lot of work with diet and training consistency but once that is dialed in and couple that with sarms, you should see extremely enhanced progress an be well on your way to a far healthier and longer life in general