I think this question will help A LOT of people.

[TAT]

Dylan,

I cannot find a straight answer for my question. You say one thing and other trusted people say another... I go to many other forums as well as this one and still cannot find my answer.

Tren A 100mg eod // Test E cycle either 100 or 75 eod have not decided yet.
gw501516 // prami (cannot find caber (do not trust local "caber"))
HCG 3 weeks from post cycle // clomid 100/50/50/25/25 i might kick week 5 depending on how I am feeling.

I have read its a bad thing to stack these and some do it and it works amazing for them (eo3d) or if you are more prone to gyno up the dosage and vise versa.. (I obviously don't want to completely shut down my estrogen)

Aromasin with letrozole? (on this specific cycle due to how harsh tren is and the test e being a longer ester)

If it is bad to stack these two which one of the two should I run with my cycle?

-Thanks,
TAT

 

[TAT]

Yes that was my question, you answered it. Thank you.

First cycle
250 6`3 ~18% BF (If I were to guess on the aggressive side)700 squat 700 deadlift 500 bench yes these are achieved at actual meets.
I have been a powerlifter for about 9 years now and have hit plateaus that I cannot break(have done multiple programs) taking tren to take it to the next level.
I have not started my cycle yet I wanted this question answered first, I could not find an answer anywhere that satisfied me.
I have been looking into steroids for about 3 years now (pretty seriously) and finally made the jump.

 

[44YOGearHead]

I'm unsure what your question is, stack aromasin and letro together?

Don't use letro unless it's needed. Have it on hand but it's really meant to be reserved for when things are getting out of control for aromasin to handle.

What are your stats and cycle history?

Agreed, I have both and use the Letro only when needed based upon what I see and feel going on in my body. I'm usually on point with my own body's signs.

Dylan,

I cannot find a straight answer for my question. You say one thing and other trusted people say another... I go to many other forums as well as this one and still cannot find my answer.

Tren A 100mg eod // Test E cycle either 100 or 75 eod have not decided yet.
gw501516 // prami (cannot find caber (do not trust local "caber"))
HCG 3 weeks from post cycle // clomid 100/50/50/25/25 i might kick week 5 depending on how I am feeling.

I have read its a bad thing to stack these and some do it and it works amazing for them (eo3d) or if you are more prone to gyno up the dosage and vise versa.. (I obviously don't want to completely shut down my estrogen)

Aromasin with letrozole? (on this specific cycle due to how harsh tren is and the test e being a longer ester)

If it is bad to stack these two which one of the two should I run with my cycle?

-Thanks,
TAT

I like prami, some don't due to their having sensitivity to it in the stomach.
HCG 3 weeks @ 1000iu
Aromasin on cycle 12.5mg eod adjust dose/frequency if necessary
Dump the 100mg week, your PCT should look like this:

PCT
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

What are you running the Prami at? How often? 8-12 hour half life. I run mine e3d.

Finally, but perhaps most importantly, what are your stats?
Age
HT
WT
BF%
Previous cycles
Training length
AI on hand
PCT on hand

The 44

 

[cmb5017]

U don't want tren on first cycle

 

[44YOGearHead]

Watch this... https://www.isarms.com/forums/stero...trenbolone-new-video-dylan-gemelli-11490.html

If this is your first cycle a test only cycle will do you wonders. I've got powerlifting friends who shatter records with ungodly amounts of gear and one runs a gram of tren alongside 1.5g of test and he literally gets exhausted walking. You don't want that bro, fuck around and have a heart attack tying your shoe laces.

 

[PHURIOUS]

Also why inject test e at 100mg eod. When its a 4-6 day halflife why not run tren e with it and do 250mg test e and 150mg tren e every 4 days?


PHURIOUS

 

[TAT]

I want to have a build up phase of test e because its a longer ester and tren a because of the short ester. I want to see how my body responds to test and then if all goes well add in the tren. I also stated I might do 75 mg of test(which i will probably do) due to the tren being the stronger drug so I would like it to take the dominate stance between the two. A higher dose of test then tren makes 0 sense to me, why even take tren, the test is going to be the dominate drug in that scenario.

 

[TAT]

Agreed, I have both and use the Letro only when needed based upon what I see and feel going on in my body. I'm usually on point with my own body's signs.



I like prami, some don't due to their having sensitivity to it in the stomach.
HCG 3 weeks @ 1000iu
Aromasin on cycle 12.5mg eod adjust dose/frequency if necessary
Dump the 100mg week, your PCT should look like this:

PCT
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

What are you running the Prami at? How often? 8-12 hour half life. I run mine e3d.

Finally, but perhaps most importantly, what are your stats?
Age
HT
WT
BF%
Previous cycles
Training length
AI on hand
PCT on hand

The 44

Scroll up, I answered all the questions. Very interesting PCT, have you ran THAT PCT after a tren cycle? Or is that your go to for every cycle? If that is your go to for every cycle have you found that your body has adapted to all those drugs listen in that PCT to where you need to up the dosage??

 

[DylanGemelli]

I want to have a build up phase of test e because its a longer ester and tren a because of the short ester. I want to see how my body responds to test and then if all goes well add in the tren. I also stated I might do 75 mg of test(which i will probably do) due to the tren being the stronger drug so I would like it to take the dominate stance between the two. A higher dose of test then tren makes 0 sense to me, why even take tren, the test is going to be the dominate drug in that scenario.

bro, you can't be serious right now about using tren on a first cycle... if your going to do that and not listen to others, good luck getting any help you need... thats flat ass absurd bro... watch this video i just did on tren use and when you are actually ready for it and maybe you will understand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvAvdjb1tnU

 

[TAT]

bro, you can't be serious right now about using tren on a first cycle... if your going to do that and not listen to others, good luck getting any help you need... thats flat ass absurd bro... watch this video i just did on tren use and when you are actually ready for it and maybe you will understand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvAvdjb1tnU

Not discrediting you, I get what you are saying. I have also seen many top level world record holding athletes that have started tren their first cycle.

Would you rather me just flat out lie like many people do and say na bro this is my 5th cycle im ready? Doubtful. Not here to argue with you. I am dosing the tren low, I am doing tren ace so if shit gets crazy its in and out.

So either you can be cool and help someone who looks up to your advice and guide them or not help them // discredit them just because they wanted to do ONE thing different out of FIFTY they listened to you on.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Not discrediting you, I get what you are saying. I have also seen many top level world record holding athletes that have started tren their first cycle.

Would you rather me just flat out lie like many people do and say na bro this is my 5th cycle im ready? Doubtful. Not here to argue with you. I am dosing the tren low, I am doing tren ace so if shit gets crazy its in and out.

So either you can be cool and help someone who looks up to your advice and guide them or not help them // discredit them just because they wanted to do ONE thing different out of FIFTY they listened to you on.

are you a "top level world record holder?" i HATE that comment... listen bro, i would LOVE to help you, truly i would but i AM helping you by telling you not to run tren on a first cycle.. you dont HAVE to do anything... you are a man, you do what you please, and i appreciate the honesty... i really do respect the fuck out of that but im also not going to help you with something that I KNOW is not right... i truly wish you nothing but the best but im definitely not your guy on that one... i hope everything turns out well for you

 

[SpikedEggnog]

Bro with that kind of attitude you won't get help here. You don't need tren first cycle. That's reckless and pointless. You don't need to inject test E every other day. Twice a week is good. You also don't need aromasin Anda letrozole you will crash your estrogen not to mention tren is prolactin sides. Aromasin and letrozole kill estrogen not prolactin. These reasons and many more is why you aren't ready for tren. Not to mention your body fat is high....

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I don't see why even consider tren as a powerlifter with near 20 bf %. Tren is for bodybuilding and it is a cosmetic drug. It enhances the way you look. Like master on and others. Powerlifter would be better suited running something for strength. I've heard of plenty of people running Winsrol tbol halo etc. But for you just starting basic test is fine.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Bro with that kind of attitude you won't get help here. You don't need tren first cycle. That's reckless and pointless. You don't need to inject test E every other day. Twice a week is good. You also don't need aromasin Anda letrozole you will crash your estrogen not to mention tren is prolactin sides. Aromasin and letrozole kill estrogen not prolactin. These reasons and many more is why you aren't ready for tren. Not to mention your body fat is high....

agreed on all fronts spiked... all excellent points...

 

[44YOGearHead]

So there were a few things I missed like the 1st cycle thing and the test e eod...

I read all the reasons you gave to convince us you should run Tren, bro if you're set on it do it. Nobody can stop you and will ever know if you did, or didn't. Guys here are just trying to help you help yourself. If you don't listen, listen carefully..... no stampede of footsteps to your door. Pin that shit bro, just be prepared for whatever may come of it. See this is how I see it, this is a horror movie and your the Black character. If you've ever seen a good 90's horror flick you know that isn't the hot girl waiting for you in the super steamy shower right? Thanks for being the Black guy bro... because of you I make it to the part 2 sequel.

 

[RickRock]

Not discrediting you, I get what you are saying. I have also seen many top level world record holding athletes that have started tren their first cycle.

Would you rather me just flat out lie like many people do and say na bro this is my 5th cycle im ready? Doubtful. Not here to argue with you. I am dosing the tren low, I am doing tren ace so if shit gets crazy its in and out.

So either you can be cool and help someone who looks up to your advice and guide them or not help them // discredit them just because they wanted to do ONE thing different out of FIFTY they listened to you on.

Dude you need to learn to walk before you crawl. That's the thing. I'm telling you right now that ten is nothing to take lightly or joke around with. I'm very experienced and I probably won't touch Tren again....it's just not worth it. We only give constructive advice here and don't support bad decisions. I'm sorry but we cannot have a clear conscience any other at about it. And please don't be that guy that brings up pros and what they do. They are the shittiest role models on the planet, and thy are th genetic elite as well. You are no pro, And there is a 0.00001% chance you ever will be so that's a piss poor excuse

 

[AsapSlim]

So there were a few things I missed like the 1st cycle thing and the test e eod...

I read all the reasons you gave to convince us you should run Tren, bro if you're set on it do it. Nobody can stop you and will ever know if you did, or didn't. Guys here are just trying to help you help yourself. If you don't listen, listen carefully..... no stampede of footsteps to your door. Pin that shit bro, just be prepared for whatever may come of it. See this is how I see it, this is a horror movie and your the Black character. If you've ever seen a good 90's horror flick you know that isn't the hot girl waiting for you in the super steamy shower right? Thanks for being the Black guy bro... because of you I make it to the part 2 sequel.

or he could be like busta rhymthes in halloween, almost lose his life but still manage to survive and make it in the end LOL

 

[TAT]

Bro with that kind of attitude you won't get help here. You don't need tren first cycle. That's reckless and pointless. You don't need to inject test E every other day. Twice a week is good. You also don't need aromasin Anda letrozole you will crash your estrogen not to mention tren is prolactin sides. Aromasin and letrozole kill estrogen not prolactin. These reasons and many more is why you aren't ready for tren. Not to mention your body fat is high....

Clearly you did not read my full first post. I understand that they both shut down estrogen from you guys and other forums.... other people DO run both, I know them personally... and they ARE a top level world athlete. I just wanted a second opinion. Whether hes a genetic god or a idiot we dont know but I just wanted to see what dylan thought about that because I did find others who ran both and things were not even getting out of hand for them. Wanted a second opinion thats all...

 

[rockmfhudd]

So there were a few things I missed like the 1st cycle thing and the test e eod...

I read all the reasons you gave to convince us you should run Tren, bro if you're set on it do it. Nobody can stop you and will ever know if you did, or didn't. Guys here are just trying to help you help yourself. If you don't listen, listen carefully..... no stampede of footsteps to your door. Pin that shit bro, just be prepared for whatever may come of it. See this is how I see it, this is a horror movie and your the Black character. If you've ever seen a good 90's horror flick you know that isn't the hot girl waiting for you in the super steamy shower right? Thanks for being the Black guy bro... because of you I make it to the part 2 sequel.

First of fuckin all I aint black but im close (Alabama black snake) aint no black man gonna be in the woods or in a steamy shower or anywhere near a fuckin haunted housem they ass just like me would be running from the word go,

 

[44YOGearHead]

or he could be like busta rhymthes in halloween, almost lose his life but still manage to survive and make it in the end LOL

Only your dumb ass... lol