How Many Compounds is Too Many

[iHeartGear]

I realize that different compounds create different levels of toxicity in the body.

But, is there a general rule of thumb you don't want to break regarding how many compounds are included in any given cycle?

Let's just assume that most people will use a form of Test in their cycle... How many ADDITIONAL compounds would be considered somewhat safe and manageable to an intermediate user.

Again, I realize that this will vary depending on type of gear used in cycle, but I'm just looking for general opinions.

 

[TX TERROR]

Nope not really. There is really no answer to this question. Sorry.
Safety is all relative.

 

[TX TERROR]

Just way too many variables.

 

[RickRock]

I realize that different compounds create different levels of toxicity in the body.

But, is there a general rule of thumb you don't want to break regarding how many compounds are included in any given cycle?

Let's just assume that most people will use a form of Test in their cycle... How many ADDITIONAL compounds would be considered somewhat safe and manageable to an intermediate user.

Again, I realize that this will vary depending on type of gear used in cycle, but I'm just looking for general opinions.

There's no way at all to answer that bro. It's such an open ended question. It depends on so many things....experience level, goals, dosages, compounds used, etc....

Some cycles like contest prep 5 compounds or more may be fine where others 2 is the max someone should go. A first cycle user shouldn't use anything but test. You see....there is no way to answer this

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[Jake]

I am going to say the same thing as the others, but maybe a different slant. Test cyp 200mgs +eq 800mgs+primo800mgs+deca 200mgs=2000mgs. Is this worse than 400 test +700 tren.Or is it worse than 600test and 70mg dbol? Or is 50mg dbol +50mgs halo+50adrol worse? So there are just too many compounds that are run at different best doses,all with different strengths and characteristics. So like a fav of my dad..200 cyp +250 sus+200 deca +800eq, is using 4 different compounds but would actually be considered to the mild side.

These are the things to consider when designing a cycle for yourself. When you do design a cycle it is best to run it by the guys here. It is funny but a good thing...you will get 10 answers all saying the same thing. Just as you got here.That means you can count on it being correct.

 

[iHeartGear]

Yeah, I was afraid my question was way too general...

Let me just ask a more specific question then.

My overall goal is to keep as much size as possible. This is my first attempt at cutting.. I normally just bulk.

I'm running Test C (500mg)weekly, Deca (500mg)weekly, Anavar (50mg)ED, Winny (50mg)ED, Primo (600mg)weekly

I'd like to throw in Tren, but I'm afraid that it will be too toxic for my body, considering what I'm already running.

What do you think? Is Tren safe to add or no?

 

[iHeartGear]

I am going to say the same thing as the others, but maybe a different slant. Test cyp 200mgs +eq 800mgs+primo800mgs+deca 200mgs=2000mgs. Is this worse than 400 test +700 tren.Or is it worse than 600test and 70mg dbol? Or is 50mg dbol +50mgs halo+50adrol worse? So there are just too many compounds that are run at different best doses,all with different strengths and characteristics. So like a fav of my dad..200 cyp +250 sus+200 deca +800eq, is using 4 different compounds but would actually be considered to the mild side.

These are the things to consider when designing a cycle for yourself. When you do design a cycle it is best to run it by the guys here. It is funny but a good thing...you will get 10 answers all saying the same thing. Just as you got here.That means you can count on it being correct.

Yeah, that's why I am really loving the community so far, Jake

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Tren is out because your allready running deca at a good dose and ill sometimes transition from npp to tren ace but with deca being such a long ester by the time it was down enough too consider tren it would be too long.and id consider dropping the var the winny is better for guys as results go and a second oral taxing your body without getting much benifit from it not too mention 50mg daily of var is expensive and not really doing shit bro .also biggest question what are your stats . cutting has different meanings too people are you petty lean 10 precent looking too be shredded or do you need too loose 15 to 20 lbs

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Yeah, I was afraid my question was way too general...

Let me just ask a more specific question then.

My overall goal is to keep as much size as possible. This is my first attempt at cutting.. I normally just bulk.

I'm running Test C (500mg)weekly, Deca (500mg)weekly, Anavar (50mg)ED, Winny (50mg)ED, Primo (600mg)weekly

I'd like to throw in Tren, but I'm afraid that it will be too toxic for my body, considering what I'm already running.

What do you think? Is Tren safe to add or no?

I would leave out Tren since you're already running a nandrolone (Deca). This can have negative effects on prolactin and get away from you quick. That's also a lot on the orals, I would choose one like winny only. In my opinion, not much is needed for cutting. The main focus should be on your training, cardio, and nutrition. It sounds like you're depending a lot on the gear to do the job bud. Keep it simple.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Your current stats would also be very helpful. Whats your age, height, weight, bf%? Cycle experience?

 

[DylanGemelli]

Yeah, I was afraid my question was way too general...

Let me just ask a more specific question then.

My overall goal is to keep as much size as possible. This is my first attempt at cutting.. I normally just bulk.

I'm running Test C (500mg)weekly, Deca (500mg)weekly, Anavar (50mg)ED, Winny (50mg)ED, Primo (600mg)weekly

I'd like to throw in Tren, but I'm afraid that it will be too toxic for my body, considering what I'm already running.

What do you think? Is Tren safe to add or no?

thats definitely too many... i assure you that stacking two nandrolones is very rough and not something you really want to learn about... you will wish you had not, trust me... you need to pick either tren or deca... i love them both... you will do absolutely wonderful with either of them... i would drop the anavar completely, run test/primo/tren/winstrol and a few sarms and you have a far better, cleaner and safer cycle... you can use deca instead of tren as well and you most certainly can cut with deca but you can cut more with tren... either way, you have a very strong cycle... here's how i would do it

1-14 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 primo 800 mg week
1-14 tren e 300 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 caber .5 mg e3d1-14 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-14 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
11-16 winstrol 50 mg day
11-16 cycle assist
13-16 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 17-20


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[iHeartGear]

Tren is out because your allready running deca at a good dose and ill sometimes transition from npp to tren ace but with deca being such a long ester by the time it was down enough too consider tren it would be too long.and id consider dropping the var the winny is better for guys as results go and a second oral taxing your body without getting much benifit from it not too mention 50mg daily of var is expensive and not really doing shit bro .also biggest question what are your stats . cutting has different meanings too people are you petty lean 10 precent looking too be shredded or do you need too loose 15 to 20 lbs

Thanks for the input...
I'm 5'9" 210 lbs , about 12% BF

Wow, that's surprising, I thought var and winny were synergistic... guess that just goes to show how much I know about cutting lol

 

[iHeartGear]

Your current stats would also be very helpful. Whats your age, height, weight, bf%? Cycle experience?

23 y/o
5'9"
210lbs
12%BF
Have done three full bulk cycles prior to trying this cuttung cycle... started this cutting cycle less than a week ago

 

[iHeartGear]

thats definitely too many... i assure you that stacking two nandrolones is very rough and not something you really want to learn about... you will wish you had not, trust me... you need to pick either tren or deca... i love them both... you will do absolutely wonderful with either of them... i would drop the anavar completely, run test/primo/tren/winstrol and a few sarms and you have a far better, cleaner and safer cycle... you can use deca instead of tren as well and you most certainly can cut with deca but you can cut more with tren... either way, you have a very strong cycle... here's how i would do it

1-14 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 primo 800 mg week
1-14 tren e 300 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 caber .5 mg e3d1-14 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-14 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
11-16 winstrol 50 mg day
11-16 cycle assist
13-16 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 17-20


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

Thanks for the clarity Dylan, looks like an outstanding cycle

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks for the clarity Dylan, looks like an outstanding cycle

you will love this cycle bro... its very complete top to bottom... you should see tremendous results here

 

[JackSteel]

thats definitely too many... i assure you that stacking two nandrolones is very rough and not something you really want to learn about... you will wish you had not, trust me... you need to pick either tren or deca... i love them both... you will do absolutely wonderful with either of them... i would drop the anavar completely, run test/primo/tren/winstrol and a few sarms and you have a far better, cleaner and safer cycle... you can use deca instead of tren as well and you most certainly can cut with deca but you can cut more with tren... either way, you have a very strong cycle... here's how i would do it

1-14 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 primo 800 mg week
1-14 tren e 300 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 caber .5 mg e3d1-14 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-14 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
11-16 winstrol 50 mg day
11-16 cycle assist
13-16 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 17-20


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

Sick cycle right there.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

thats definitely too many... i assure you that stacking two nandrolones is very rough and not something you really want to learn about... you will wish you had not, trust me... you need to pick either tren or deca... i love them both... you will do absolutely wonderful with either of them... i would drop the anavar completely, run test/primo/tren/winstrol and a few sarms and you have a far better, cleaner and safer cycle... you can use deca instead of tren as well and you most certainly can cut with deca but you can cut more with tren... either way, you have a very strong cycle... here's how i would do it

1-14 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 primo 800 mg week
1-14 tren e 300 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 caber .5 mg e3d1-14 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-14 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
11-16 winstrol 50 mg day
11-16 cycle assist
13-16 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 17-20


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

Solid setup right here bud.

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[buen]

If you end up staying with the deca instead of going with the tren.......for cutting 200-300mg/wk with give you the optimum results....500mg of deca is a bulking dose

 

[44YOGearHead]

Speaking for myself, I would never run two orals at the same time. Your liver has enough to deal with without having to sort that out. I try to ensure as well that the compounds used aren't in direct competition for the same receptors per say. In my earlier years I'd run 5 compounds at once (test/deca/halo/anavar/sdrol) and watch my urine trickle out like a rusty faucet leaking antifreeze... you don't wanna experience that even if I exaggerated a bit lol. I've always had great results running just 3 compounds. Best advice you'll ever get was sent courtesy Dylan... hint, hint.

 

[iHeartGear]

Speaking for myself, I would never run two orals at the same time. Your liver has enough to deal with without having to sort that out. I try to ensure as well that the compounds used aren't in direct competition for the same receptors per say. In my earlier years I'd run 5 compounds at once (test/deca/halo/anavar/sdrol) and watch my urine trickle out like a rusty faucet leaking antifreeze... you don't wanna experience that even if I exaggerated a bit lol. I've always had great results running just 3 compounds. Best advice you'll ever get was sent courtesy Dylan... hint, hint.

Haha damn bro... Yeah prostate issues are nothing to mess around with. That sounds terrible

And in regards to the last part of your post, I agree with you. This is definitely the best forum I've run across. I trust Dylan and the moderators' opinions on here. I've had to leave other forums in the past due to the pure ignorant and bro-science nature of them... There are a lot of forums out there like that.