First cycle PCT

[ohfyk1]

Brand new here and about to run my first cycle (provided my blood results are good)

I am looking to do an easy cycle to pop my cherry.

Week 1-10 250ml Test-e

Even with this low dose I am looking at being very careful with how I run it as side effects are not desirable obviously lol.
So I have worked out that I'd like to..

Week 1-12 12.5mg Aromasin (twice per week)

Week 13-14 40mg Nolvadex ed - 100mg Clomid ed
Week 15-16 20mg Nolvadex ed - 50mg Clomid ed


I know Aromasin doses usually should be taken a lot larger and more frequent but I feel like running it is probably already overkill? Based on the low amount of test I will be taking. I've also been recommended skipping the Aromasin and just crunching up some Nolvadex and taking 1-2mg per day throughout the cycle instead if I'm that worried about side effects.

I've also heard that maybe I should consider skipping the Aromasin and just keep it "on hand" in case of signs of high estro, and save it/save my money to use it for the next cycle which will be a little more intense.


I'm mostly looking for opinions on my PCT plan and possibly recommendations on how you would tweak it from more experienced users.

Thanks in advance to anyone who may help me.

 

[TheNewKing]

I like the conservative amount of Test, but definitely do not skip out on Aromasin... the suggested starting dose for Aromasin is 12.5 EOD, once you get your bloods done mid cycle, this should reveal if you need to alter the dose accordingly. Also, Aromasin is run through PCT as well

 

[TheNewKing]

Also, I don't think you'll need that much Clomid... a complete PCT should look like this

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Mk2866 25mg per day dosed in the am
GW 20mg per day dosed 30 minutes pre workout

Dylan also has a new product out that can be used in PCT... check it out at https://www.dganutrition.com

 

[RickRock]

What is your full stats experience and goals?

 

[ohfyk1]

About 168 lbs, 5'10, approx 15-17% bf. Going to eat at maintenance or slightly below. Turn 30 y/o tomorrow. Not sure what 'full stats experience' means, but been lifting for 3 years.

Goal is to get to 10-12% bf from first cycle without losing what I've built naturally.

Future cycle likely in the 350-400ml test range for 12 weeks (test only again) while eating slightly over maintenance. Not sure exactly on that, will have to see down the road how I feel and how first cycle goes etc.

 

[TheNewKing]

I advise that you get to ~12% BF BEFORE starting a cycle, to avoid higher potential for side effects. Then you can cycle to bulk, or cut down to single digits... whatever your goals are

 

[ohfyk1]

I definitely appreciate that feedback. The current bf number is part of why I'm trying to be very thorough on my AI/PCT research

 

[TheNewKing]

Ya, well I would cut down BF% just a bit to the point where you can confidently run a cycle with the proper PCT mentioned above brother.... just for safety purposes.

 

[ohfyk1]

I'll be closer to there by time I'm ready to start. Have been looking at probably Dec 10 Sunday for first shot. 4 more weeks being strict likely a couple % chunked off. And I did mention 10-12% as my goals, but that was trying to be realistic. I definitely would like to wander into single digits a little .

Not gonna lie the MK and GW items look a little sketchy. Going to spend more time researching those over the weekend when I have more time.

 

[TheNewKing]

Not sketchy at all, make a new threat about them and you'll be nothing but positive feedback. It helps to control cortisol and helps to maintain gains made after cycle... go ahead and do your research, but they're FAR from sketchy...

 

[DylanGemelli]

sketchy? sketchy??? how are they even CLOSE to sketchy??? please explain that to me? i would love to hear that explanation... if you are going to use that kind of verbage you best have a very very strong argument as to why...

 

[DylanGemelli]

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.



clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[ohfyk1]

The first link I clicked on google led me here http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...actors/101103-do-not-buy-use-gw-501516-a.html

So first impression was 'sketchy'
Did not mean to offend with the use of that word, mostly it just ment I haven't heard of these yet and that requires a pile more research.

I really appreciate you personally responding to my thread and explaining them to me along with how you recommend I properly PCT, it means a lot.

Also when you listed

clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

Based on my 10 week cycle and 2 weeks off, the mk would be taken during weeks 13-16 and the gw for all pct weeks 13-18 ?