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cutting edge bro science on suppression, By Dr. Jim Nasium

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Some steroids only REDUCE TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION(to varying degrees), whereas other steroids will SHUTDOWN the HPTA resulting in a complete cessation of androgen production.


*NOT ALL ANDROGENS CAUSE SHUTDOWN*

"Shutdown", is defined by a COMPLETE inhibition of the Pituitary/Testes, resulting in a TOTAL cessation of endogenous androgen production.

SOME androgens will only SUPPRESS endogenous androgen production, resulting in a DECREASED testosterone level, but not a complete shutdown. (Turinabol, Anavar, Halotestin, Wistrol, Equipoise, Dianabol, Masteron, Primobolan)

Very Androgenic/Progestenic/Estrogenic steroids(Trenbolone, Nandrolone, Anadrol, Testosterone) cause a COMPLETE shutdown of endogenous hormone production.

The distinction between SUPRESSION and SHUTDOWN is utterly important, as steroids that cause LESS supression of endogenous hormones will allow for greater retention of gains upon ending the cycle, and a quicker, easier recovery!


The Following steroids will NOT SHUTDOWN THE HPTA:

Turinabol, Anavar, Proviron, Halotestin, Wistrol, Equipoise, Dianabol, Masteron, Primobolan, Clostebol, and 4-ADiol.


Pre-PCT: PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 300mgs/300mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 40mgs/25mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 40mgs/300mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 50mgs/300mgs
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/25mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/300mgs


Examples...


In a SHORT CYCLE:
Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: NPP, 400mgs
Weeks 4-8: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY)**
Weeks 8-?: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**


A Standard Cycle:
Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 500mgs
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 12-16: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY) **
Weeks 16-26: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**


DO NOT end your cycle ABRUPTLY! Don't just END your cycle cold-turkey! If you are SHUTDOWN, full restoration can take weeks and even MONTHS. Therefore, one should REMAIN ON minimally-inhibitive STEROIDS(HPTA) in an attempt to MAINTAIN the gains they made while ON CYCLE, while STILL BEGINNING TO RECOVER TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION. On top of that, one still continues to progess from the mild additional anabolic support.

NOT only does it mean that you can run a COMPLETE CYCLE with NO SHUTDOWN whatsoever(as long as the right compounds, dosages, and durations are used), it also means that if you ARE SHUTDOWN from your cycle, you do NOT HAVE TO COME RIGHT OFF CYCLE! Actually, it is BETTER TO STAY ON CYCLE WHILE YOUR ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE LEVEL BEGINS TO INCREASE!


You may also run a cycle that COMPLETELY AVOIDS SHUTDOWN:

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD

Or

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 500mgs
Weeks 6-14: Turinabol, 60mgs ED


And Many many more! There are tons of NON-inhibitory cycles that you can devise using my my list above for your guideline. Your days of HPTA suffering are over!


By understanding WHICH steroids cause SHUTDOWN and which steroids do NOT, we can formulate a perfect EXTENDED CYCLE.


The Hypothalamus has Androgen, Estrogen, and Progesterone receptors.

Each and EVERY anabolic steroid affects these receptors DIFFERENTLY.

Some steroids affect ALL receptors, while some only affect ONE type of receptor, while others have very little effect on ANY of these receptors.

UNDERSTANDING WHICH steroids affect which receptors, and to WHAT DEGREE, will FULLY enable the steroid user to COMPLETELY and systematically AVOID HPTA SHUTDOWN!

By understanding WHICH steroids cause SHUTDOWN and which steroids do NOT, we can formulate a perfect EXTENDED CYCLE.

Steroids that cause an OVERSATURATION(too many receptors activated) of these various hormone receptors, WILL CAUSE SHUTDOWN.

Steroids that DO NOT CAUSE an OVERSATURATION of ANY of these various hormone receptors, will NOT cause SHUTDOWN!

The Following drugs either DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY activate ESTROGEN receptors, to varying degrees:

Testosterone
Methandrostenolone
Mathandriol
Oxymetholone
Nandrolone
Boldenone

The Following drugs either DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY activate PROGESTERONE receptors, to varying degrees:

Nandrolone
Trenbolone
Oxymetholone

The Following drugs activate Androgen receptors, to varying degrees:

Testosterone
Methandrostenolone
Mathandriol
Oxymetholone
Nandrolone
Boldenone
Trenbolone
Halotestin
Oxandrolone
Stanzolol
Chlorodehydromethltestosterone
Methyltestosterone
Methenolone...
(ALL AAS*)

As we can see, the steroids that cause HPTA SHUTDOWN either OVERSATURATE ONE SPECIFIC receptor, or they activate too many TOTAL receptors(Androgen/Estrogen/Progesterone)

For instance, Trenbolone causes HPTA SHUTDOWN because it OVERSATURATES BOTH, the ANDROGEN and the PROGESTERONE receptors.

Testosterone causes SHUTDOWN because it converts to ESTROGEN and DHT, therefore, it oversaturates the Androgen/Estrogen receptors.

As we can ALSO SEE, the steroids that DO NOT cause SHUTDOWN of the HPTA, do NOT oversaturate ANY of the different hormone receptors, and thus, do NOT cause SHUTDOWN.

Methenolone(Primobolan) does not possess ANY Estrogenic or Progestational ACTIVITY WHATSOEVER. It does, by virtue of being an anabolic steroid, posses a SMALL Androgenic component. Because it lacks ANY ESTROGENIC/PROGESTATIONAL component, and it lacks a strong Androgenic component, it WILL NOT CAUSE SHUTDOWN!

Oxandrolone(Anavar) posseses NO Estrogenic/Progestational component either. AND, it also lacks a strong androgenic component. Thus, Anavar will NOT cause shutdown.


By understanding WHICH steroids cause SHUTDOWN and which steroids do NOT, we can formulate a perfect EXTENDED CYCLE.

*It must also be noted, that ANY steroid in LARGE enough DOSAGES for long enough DURATIONS, can cause SHUTDOWN of the HPTA.
 
I can't say I necessarily agree with a majority of this, but it is a,nice read nonethless, and I always invite different viewpoints
 
I can only call it bro science because it was a bunch of ideas half deduced,some science, and some assumptions. So if a man is a man because of test, then only test should shut him down. And yet if you did just deca a blood would show no test. So due to hte many assumptions...notice the name of the author...GymNasium...lol. There was a study on drol where there was a group that had all different responses to shutdown. Some a little, some a lot, some none.When you get results all over the dam place you cannot apply any statisical evaluation of results. So I had to call this bro science.
 
Think about it. The old dudes had no synthetic test. It was just becoming widely available when I hit the scene in the 80s. Photos of the older pros suggest no balls at all though.

I have found this:

1. Halo does not affect my T levels much. It is harsh and makes me strong as an ape. Scary strong. My partner is like dude ease up when I am on it (never more than 2 weeks running).
2. Var does not either though it can pop my BP if I am not carefully watching sodium.
3. Primo and mast don't affect my T levels much (by blood confirmation).

In fact I have been toying with the idea of a halo kick, with primo and mast and winnie close out with no test just to see how I respond. I am thinking after the turn of the year the following:

1. Soma 3iu ed ( I am on a year long run)
2. 600 primo ew Weeks 1-20
3. 450 mast p ew Weeks 1-20
4. Halo Weeks 1-2, 9-10, 15-16
5. Var Weeks 3-8 (50mg ed)

If I do this I will monitor bloods for Test levels. I will call this the old man's cycle. LMAO.



It has been said Arnold took 100mg primo daily but what we don't know is how much oral vs. oil. I know primo is a smooth one for me. As is Mast. At my age I stay away from tren.
 
Think about it. The old dudes had no synthetic test. It was just becoming widely available when I hit the scene in the 80s. Photos of the older pros suggest no balls at all though.

I have found this:

1. Halo does not affect my T levels much. It is harsh and makes me strong as an ape. Scary strong. My partner is like dude ease up when I am on it (never more than 2 weeks running).
2. Var does not either though it can pop my BP if I am not carefully watching sodium.
3. Primo and mast don't affect my T levels much (by blood confirmation).

In fact I have been toying with the idea of a halo kick, with primo and mast and winnie close out with no test just to see how I respond. I am thinking after the turn of the year the following:

1. Soma 3iu ed ( I am on a year long run)
2. 600 primo ew Weeks 1-20
3. 450 mast p ew Weeks 1-20
4. Halo Weeks 1-2, 9-10, 15-16
5. Var Weeks 3-8 (50mg ed)

If I do this I will monitor bloods for Test levels. I will call this the old man's cycle. LMAO.



It has been said Arnold took 100mg primo daily but what we don't know is how much oral vs. oil. I know primo is a smooth one for me. As is Mast. At my age I stay away from tren.

^No test base ?? Ooph, that's harsh
 
Think about it. The old dudes had no synthetic test. It was just becoming widely available when I hit the scene in the 80s. Photos of the older pros suggest no balls at all though.

I have found this:

1. Halo does not affect my T levels much. It is harsh and makes me strong as an ape. Scary strong. My partner is like dude ease up when I am on it (never more than 2 weeks running).
2. Var does not either though it can pop my BP if I am not carefully watching sodium.
3. Primo and mast don't affect my T levels much (by blood confirmation).

In fact I have been toying with the idea of a halo kick, with primo and mast and winnie close out with no test just to see how I respond. I am thinking after the turn of the year the following:

1. Soma 3iu ed ( I am on a year long run)
2. 600 primo ew Weeks 1-20
3. 450 mast p ew Weeks 1-20
4. Halo Weeks 1-2, 9-10, 15-16
5. Var Weeks 3-8 (50mg ed)

If I do this I will monitor bloods for Test levels. I will call this the old man's cycle. LMAO.



It has been said Arnold took 100mg primo daily but what we don't know is how much oral vs. oil. I know primo is a smooth one for me. As is Mast. At my age I stay away from tren.

You're gonna run 4 DHT derivatives and hope you don't shut down? To each his own.


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Nope... just conjecture based on the OP. I use Test as base always. I was just having some fun with the OP. I cannot recall the last cycle I ran without Test. Ever.
 
Wow I can't believe Dbol doesn't cause shut down
Dbol definitely rides a fine line between suppression and shutdown. I would say it's VERY suppressive. After using Dbol for 3 days it brought my test levels down to 200. Not good. One of the dumbest things I've ever done. Live and learn I guess.

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