I don't get it - why would anyone want to use PH's these days. Before, their only advantage was that they were legal...but they are extremely liver toxic, and their side effects are not any weaker than those of steroids... but the results are not even remotely as good. In such case it would be more reasonable to either use steroids and get better results with the same side effects, basically....Or you could try out the SARMs - their results will not be as prominent as with most steroids, but there will be no side effects, which is a great advantage. besides, SARMs are completely legal.