Adjuncts

[drb_iac]

Back in the 50's the BB's had test and it seemed to work well for them. Then come the 60's and deca comes out. It didn't take long to realize that deca was a great adjunct to test. As time went on the medical community began using aas for burn victims, children that were starved, prisoners of war, and aids patients. Many of these patients got things like just dbol, or adrol,..the animals got winny and eq. The aids group who were wasting did really well on test/deca. So then the thought is maybe test/deca first and THEN adrol,dbol etc. It took a while to determine that test was KING...and that it had a loyal companion called deca, that was its best servant. It was an adjunct. The aids patients stated this.And believe me it was significantly overwhelming..."we feel a lot better when the deca is added to the test. We cannot exactly put our finger on it but SOMETHING makes us feel better"
I found this out many years ago as a young vet. I had a sick horse that was wasting from the earliest days of what we discovered was antibiotic resistance. As I read up I realized that I could use an adjunt with amoxcillin called clavinulic acid. The horse began to recover. There it was..a great anitbiotic just got better by adding an adjunct. Big pharm quickly came out with a new antibiotic called Clavamox. The other thing I did with this horse was trying to get him to gain weight. The eq at 400mgs was just not working lkie I thought. I jumped him up to 600mgs eq and he began to get better. Out of curiousity I then hit him with 400 deca and ba boom!! There he went to full recovery. Ding! The light bulb went off. Deca is an adjunct to ALL aas. So from then on I did not care what cycle anyone was on...I told them to make a low deca/test the base. SO...you want to do a 700 tren cycle..Jake...that you? Then do your 700 tren and base it on a 150/150 deca test. Want to do eq...substitute it for your deca? Hell no. Add it to your deca/test. Primo...same, dbol...other orals...same.

So I have given you this background so that I can bring this up. For those guys who have bigorexia..I am not talking to you. You guys like dylan who would like to be trim ,muscular, vascular, have a v taper with great abs...AND no bloated belly...lets see if test/deca is an adjunct to SARMS. Dylan,Rick...maybe put a bad ass sarms stack together for the folks on the board, and then do the sarms along with 100/100 deca test. You trt guys could do 50/50 deca test. It may well be that trt could be 50mgtest/50mg deca and sarms and throw in whole lot of safety factor for you guys. Jake is doing somethng like this but only has 3 guys.
If a group of you would buy all of your gear and sarms (from this board of course) and then run a strict protocol of sarms deca and test it may well be the research of the year
Right now I am totally comfortable with telling you to base all of your cycles on deca/test. I know we keep saying test should be base, and that is true, but there is "something" about deca/test as base

How about it?

 

[BigBusiness]

I would be down to give this a shot. I love your insight Dr.b.

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[stretch512]

For one I just wanted to introduce myself and thank you for bringing your knowledge to this board. I really appreciate having someone that can bring up topics like this. I think the idea of Deca being an adjunct to test is really a fascinating idea. My only follow up question would be - does this also apply to the compound NPP? I know that Deca is one of the longest esters out there and just wondered what your thoughts were on using NPP as an adjunct to test. Does the truncated ester have anything to do with the effectiveness in the long run? Thanks again!

 

[cmb5017]

U gona have Dylan changing the name of the forum to deca rush lol

 

[TotalPackage]

Back in the 50's the BB's had test and it seemed to work well for them. Then come the 60's and deca comes out. It didn't take long to realize that deca was a great adjunct to test. As time went on the medical community began using aas for burn victims, children that were starved, prisoners of war, and aids patients. Many of these patients got things like just dbol, or adrol,..the animals got winny and eq. The aids group who were wasting did really well on test/deca. So then the thought is maybe test/deca first and THEN adrol,dbol etc. It took a while to determine that test was KING...and that it had a loyal companion called deca, that was its best servant. It was an adjunct. The aids patients stated this.And believe me it was significantly overwhelming..."we feel a lot better when the deca is added to the test. We cannot exactly put our finger on it but SOMETHING makes us feel better"
I found this out many years ago as a young vet. I had a sick horse that was wasting from the earliest days of what we discovered was antibiotic resistance. As I read up I realized that I could use an adjunt with amoxcillin called clavinulic acid. The horse began to recover. There it was..a great anitbiotic just got better by adding an adjunct. Big pharm quickly came out with a new antibiotic called Clavamox. The other thing I did with this horse was trying to get him to gain weight. The eq at 400mgs was just not working lkie I thought. I jumped him up to 600mgs eq and he began to get better. Out of curiousity I then hit him with 400 deca and ba boom!! There he went to full recovery. Ding! The light bulb went off. Deca is an adjunct to ALL aas. So from then on I did not care what cycle anyone was on...I told them to make a low deca/test the base. SO...you want to do a 700 tren cycle..Jake...that you? Then do your 700 tren and base it on a 150/150 deca test. Want to do eq...substitute it for your deca? Hell no. Add it to your deca/test. Primo...same, dbol...other orals...same.

So I have given you this background so that I can bring this up. For those guys who have bigorexia..I am not talking to you. You guys like dylan who would like to be trim ,muscular, vascular, have a v taper with great abs...AND no bloated belly...lets see if test/deca is an adjunct to SARMS. Dylan,Rick...maybe put a bad ass sarms stack together for the folks on the board, and then do the sarms along with 100/100 deca test. You trt guys could do 50/50 deca test. It may well be that trt could be 50mgtest/50mg deca and sarms and throw in whole lot of safety factor for you guys. Jake is doing somethng like this but only has 3 guys.
If a group of you would buy all of your gear and sarms (from this board of course) and then run a strict protocol of sarms deca and test it may well be the research of the year
Right now I am totally comfortable with telling you to base all of your cycles on deca/test. I know we keep saying test should be base, and that is true, but there is "something" about deca/test as base

How about it?

So interesting you bring this up drb..........I think this is exactly how I'm going to run here on out. The Deca allows you to keep the Test down, and the Test base keeps the Deca sides minimal. You get a near perfect synergy of those two together, and even at therapeutic doses you still get a very nice sustainable mass building property in this protocol. I love the idea, I've been just about "there" all along, but wanted to make darn sure that I had my TRT protocol down to the nats ass dialed in. I've almost got my TRT perfect right now, I get labs again next week. I've been on TRT almost a year now. I've got 50ml of Deca on order. I'm scheduled for my complete yearly physical in Nov, I'll start the protocol right after my physical in November. Love sharing the info with you Brother! I knew you must be knowledgeable when we had our exchange regarding Mooney and Nelson Vergel. Take care my friend!

 

[TX TERROR]

Ive always been a proud and adimit deca user. I felt like I was always talking to a wall over at the dumbasses on evo. I love deca. By far one of my favorite drugs. I use it to stay quite lean even. Wich everyone thinks is just sooooooooooo imposible. Well news flash... when you dont know to diet and you eat 600+ carbs a day you gonna bloat.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Ive used deca several times with a test base some with orals some without, were some of my very first stacks, always had good results. Since discovering tren i havent been back to deca. Maybe its time to get back to the basics and switch things up a bit. My interest has definitely been aroused lately,i do know its always good to change things up.. Now that im getting older i would like to see the results and compare them to how they were when i was alot younger. Good post

 

[Jake]

Ive used deca several times with a test base some with orals some without, were some of my very first stacks, always had good results. Since discovering tren i havent been back to deca. Maybe its time to get back to the basics and switch things up a bit. My interest has definitely been aroused lately,i do know its always good to change things up.. Now that im getting older i would like to see the results and compare them to how they were when i was alot younger. Good post

Well bro..if you follow what drb is saying it applies to all of us. I have not done deca/test in years since I moved in the tren territory,but he is saying that ALL cycles should contain deca/test. So he wants me to do my 250sus/ 400mg/week TrenA + 400mgtrenE...a common cycle for me. Now he wants me to add 250 deca to it.
And I think as we get older it is going to be very beneficial to us to go back to the deca/test. So at around 40...maybe 50 years old...we will only use deca/test then add primo or eq,var,tbol...the lighter aas on top of deca/test. The only gear that backs up our manhood is test. Look at everything else as a supplement. Drb is saying deca/test and everything else is a supplement to them.

 

[RickRock]

Back in the 50's the BB's had test and it seemed to work well for them. Then come the 60's and deca comes out. It didn't take long to realize that deca was a great adjunct to test. As time went on the medical community began using aas for burn victims, children that were starved, prisoners of war, and aids patients. Many of these patients got things like just dbol, or adrol,..the animals got winny and eq. The aids group who were wasting did really well on test/deca. So then the thought is maybe test/deca first and THEN adrol,dbol etc. It took a while to determine that test was KING...and that it had a loyal companion called deca, that was its best servant. It was an adjunct. The aids patients stated this.And believe me it was significantly overwhelming..."we feel a lot better when the deca is added to the test. We cannot exactly put our finger on it but SOMETHING makes us feel better"
I found this out many years ago as a young vet. I had a sick horse that was wasting from the earliest days of what we discovered was antibiotic resistance. As I read up I realized that I could use an adjunt with amoxcillin called clavinulic acid. The horse began to recover. There it was..a great anitbiotic just got better by adding an adjunct. Big pharm quickly came out with a new antibiotic called Clavamox. The other thing I did with this horse was trying to get him to gain weight. The eq at 400mgs was just not working lkie I thought. I jumped him up to 600mgs eq and he began to get better. Out of curiousity I then hit him with 400 deca and ba boom!! There he went to full recovery. Ding! The light bulb went off. Deca is an adjunct to ALL aas. So from then on I did not care what cycle anyone was on...I told them to make a low deca/test the base. SO...you want to do a 700 tren cycle..Jake...that you? Then do your 700 tren and base it on a 150/150 deca test. Want to do eq...substitute it for your deca? Hell no. Add it to your deca/test. Primo...same, dbol...other orals...same.

So I have given you this background so that I can bring this up. For those guys who have bigorexia..I am not talking to you. You guys like dylan who would like to be trim ,muscular, vascular, have a v taper with great abs...AND no bloated belly...lets see if test/deca is an adjunct to SARMS. Dylan,Rick...maybe put a bad ass sarms stack together for the folks on the board, and then do the sarms along with 100/100 deca test. You trt guys could do 50/50 deca test. It may well be that trt could be 50mgtest/50mg deca and sarms and throw in whole lot of safety factor for you guys. Jake is doing somethng like this but only has 3 guys.
If a group of you would buy all of your gear and sarms (from this board of course) and then run a strict protocol of sarms deca and test it may well be the research of the year
Right now I am totally comfortable with telling you to base all of your cycles on deca/test. I know we keep saying test should be base, and that is true, but there is "something" about deca/test as base

How about it?

I really like where you're going with this Drb. I start deca for the first time in 4 days, and from everything you've told us about deca and from Dylan's response to it....it really does sound incredible.

I'll have to setup a nice sarms stack with test and deca at lower doses as the base just like you said. I'm sure that protocol would go over extremely well, especially after others gave feedback on just how great it could be.

Thanks for your thoughts on this brother

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Well bro..if you follow what drb is saying it applies to all of us. I have not done deca/test in years since I moved in the tren territory,but he is saying that ALL cycles should contain deca/test. So he wants me to do my 250sus/ 400mg/week TrenA + 400mgtrenE...a common cycle for me. Now he wants me to add 250 deca to it.
And I think as we get older it is going to be very beneficial to us to go back to the deca/test. So at around 40...maybe 50 years old...we will only use deca/test then add primo or eq,var,tbol...the lighter aas on top of deca/test. The only gear that backs up our manhood is test. Look at everything else as a supplement. Drb is saying deca/test and everything else is a supplement to them.

True, but i would rather pick 1 of the 2. Thinking just deca/test instead of tren/test as usual, i like to keep it simple

 

[Jake]

For one I just wanted to introduce myself and thank you for bringing your knowledge to this board. I really appreciate having someone that can bring up topics like this. I think the idea of Deca being an adjunct to test is really a fascinating idea. My only follow up question would be - does this also apply to the compound NPP? I know that Deca is one of the longest esters out there and just wondered what your thoughts were on using NPP as an adjunct to test. Does the truncated ester have anything to do with the effectiveness in the long run? Thanks again!

I think that for 4-6 weeks it would make no difference. BUT something happens with deca at some point in a cycle. I am not sure what the biochemistry is exactly, but deca rules from week 6 to week 12,14,16 etc. So maybe to start the cycle you could split the deca dose in half with npp, and then drop the npp around week 6.
I have to say this...there is a lot about deca that we just do not know why. Drb has been messing with this shit his entire life it seems. He has made progress but it still frustrates him. It is like many different drugs all in one.It is dose dependent and duration dependent and also stack dependant.
So you asked a good question but I can't give you a good answer

 

[JM750]

I'm doing a deca/test run right now and I have dylan putting together a warms stack for me.

 

[drb_iac]

True, but i would rather pick 1 of the 2. Thinking just deca/test instead of tren/test as usual, i like to keep it simple

That is true, but a 3 compund cycle is not a difficult one. The other good point about using test/deca is that you begin to use all sane dosages. So how about 250 cyp/200 deca and 200-400 tren? I would rather use 3 lower dosed compounds than one high dose. 200each of deca/test/tren is way better than 600 test..yet test is the simplest correct? So I agree with simple cycles, but simple and safe is better.

 

[ibleedoranbla]

After all the talk about deca from drb in the last couple months I've become very intrigued to try it. It'll be my second cycle sometime in February. I'm thinking of

1-4 drol 50mg
1-12 sust 600mg
1-12 deca 300mg

Would this be an idea combination for deca and is this an acceptable cycle for my 2nd cycle?

 

[RickRock]

After all the talk about deca from drb in the last couple months I've become very intrigued to try it. It'll be my second cycle sometime in February. I'm thinking of

1-4 drol 50mg
1-12 sust 600mg
1-12 deca 300mg

Would this be an idea combination for deca and is this an acceptable cycle for my 2nd cycle?

Ya I think that looks good to me buddy. I like the dosages. You just want to make sure to control that estrogen more than anything with that higher test dose and the Dbol in there.

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Ya I think that looks good to me buddy. I like the dosages. You just want to make sure to control that estrogen more than anything with that higher test dose and the Dbol in there.

Yea, I would obviously run my aromasin from the start, I was just being lazy and not typing all the extra stuff out, lol. With 300 deca is caber needed? I think I would run it regardless.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

That is true, but a 3 compund cycle is not a difficult one. The other good point about using test/deca is that you begin to use all sane dosages. So how about 250 cyp/200 deca and 200-400 tren? I would rather use 3 lower dosed compounds than one high dose. 200each of deca/test/tren is way better than 600 test..yet test is the simplest correct? So I agree with simple cycles, but simple and safe is better.

I am seriously considering running this cycle as such deca/test when i do decide to run my next tren cycle at a later time in the future, but i think i would like my very next cycle to be only deca/test and maybe an oral just to really grasp the situation. But you may have steered me into the direction of always running deca/test with any future cycles as my base. It does makes lots of sense, multiple compounds at lower dosages as well.. why not

 

[Kman61]

Though I have stated elsewhere on this board I like other AAS I can testify to the positive influence Test/Deca has on me. I have never run it that low. The lowest I tried was 150 Test C and 150 Deca. It was not a bad experience at all. I would be down for trying your plan except I am not really a Sarms fan per se. List an precise protocol and I would be a willing subject in the study!

 

[drb_iac]

After all the talk about deca from drb in the last couple months I've become very intrigued to try it. It'll be my second cycle sometime in February. I'm thinking of

1-4 drol 50mg
1-12 sust 600mg
1-12 deca 300mg

Would this be an idea combination for deca and is this an acceptable cycle for my 2nd cycle?

You might as well go completely old school and do dbol instead of drol. If this is only your second cycle you really could just do 400 sus /300 deca/40mg dbol. This cycle has to work bro. Save...the 600 sus for down the road.

 

[ibleedoranbla]

You might as well go completely old school and do dbol instead of drol. If this is only your second cycle you really could just do 400 sus /300 deca/40mg dbol. This cycle has to work bro. Save...the 600 sus for down the road.

Thanks for your input drb and I completely hear what you're saying. The only reason I chose drol and the dose of test I did was because I already have drol sitting in my cabinet and the sust that I have I bought about a year ago before I knew as much as I know now and it's dosed at 300mg so I said 600 just for the ease of it. Also, knowing what I know now, it's probably not a true 300mg/ml