2nd Cycle NPP, Test C - Prep

[sirjecht]

Wanted to get some opinions on a 2nd cycle I am planning. Currently in the middle of my first cycle of Test C @ 350mg/wk. I am not "starting another cycle soon" I am planning for what I am expecting to do at the end of the year looking at NOVEMBER 2017. Any input would be appreciated.

Stats as of Feb 12th
Age 26
Height 6,3
Weight 202lbs
BF 12.2%
Cycles - One cycle of Test C
Goals- Enjoying the bulking, looking to be 215-220lbs by the end of the year.

I am looking at running NPP with Test C. Unsure if I should swap to Test Prop in order to kept ester times similar even though I don't think it makes a difference. I'm choosing Nandro Propionate over Decanoate simply for the incredibly long ester. I only want to run for 10-12 weeks.

Current Layout

On Cycle- Weeks 1-14
NPP- Weeks 1-12 dosed 85mg EOD for a total of 250mg/w
TestC- Weeks 1-12 dosed 125mg every 3 days for a total of 250mg/w
Liquid Aro- Weeks 1-14 dosed 12.5 EOD
Caber- Weeks 1-12 dosed .5mg every 3 days

PCT- Weeks 14-18
Clomid 50/50/25/25 14-18
Nolva 40/20/20/20 14-18
Liquid Aro 12.5 mg EOD 14-18
GW-501516 20 mg 14-18



My Questions-
1- Should I stop deca before I stop test or is it ok to pin them both on last day.

2- Caber running .5mg every 3 days, is that to high for the dosing of deca?

3- I am currently on Test C and have managed to lose BF while on cycle while gaining a lot of lean mass. Is deca harder to maintain a lower bf% due to its nature.

 

[TOG565]

I am getting ready to run a very similar run. Im using Test Cyp and NPP at a 1:1 ratio (350 p/w) and adding TBol the last 6 weeks. Im adding in S-4, GW, and possibly SR9009.
My run will be 12 weeks. Its my summer ripped stack. Nice job on research man! Caber is a must with an NPP/Test combo IMHO. When are you starting this run?

I think you are confusing NPP and deca. While they are the same base compound the longer ester of deca are where the ugly sides show for me. I get bad bloat and the vaunted moon face. Thats why I chose NPP over Deca for this one.


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[sirjecht]

I am getting ready to run a very similar run. Im using Test Cyp and NPP at a 1:1 ratio (350 p/w) and adding TBol the last 6 weeks. Im adding in S-4, GW, and possibly SR9009.
My run will be 12 weeks. Its my summer ripped stack. Nice job on research man! Caber is a must with an NPP/Test combo IMHO. When are you starting this run?

I think you are confusing NPP and deca. While they are the same base compound the longer ester of deca are where the ugly sides show for me. I get bad bloat and the vaunted moon face.


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I am considering running end of the year November. Things may change but I want to get the cycle down and prepared long before I start.

I am aware of the difference between the two, I chose prop because of the short ester. I don't want the Decanoate version of Nandrolone as it can take a long time to start but mainly a long time to exit the system. Also short ester will be a better choice in case I can't handle it or any sides it may bring which aren't much but you never know.

Interested to see how you go with you're cycle. Have you used NPP before? Is lean bulking off it possible or does it tend to come with BF regardless how well you do?

 

[TOG565]

I havent used NPP before but am using it as part of a lean/quality bulk for summer prep. Heard great things about it and I am really e sensative and bloat prone so its a way better choice for me then deca. Ill probably do a log of my run so Ill let ya know if I do. I added TBol mid run also.


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[DylanGemelli]

if you run deca properly, without abusing the dosing and you have all supports, which you clearly have, you can have very clean gains... its always possible when you bulk to have a little extra fat there but if your diet is dialed in or you have other compounds in conjunction with it, that can normally offset and its not even a guarantee you will have any unwanted gain... some do and some dont but deca is far cleaner than people realize... i would consider GW501516 or S4 along side of it and just keep your diet and cardio on point and you are good to go

 

[RickRock]

if you run deca properly, without abusing the dosing and you have all supports, which you clearly have, you can have very clean gains... its always possible when you bulk to have a little extra fat there but if your diet is dialed in or you have other compounds in conjunction with it, that can normally offset and its not even a guarantee you will have any unwanted gain... some do and some dont but deca is far cleaner than people realize... i would consider GW501516 or S4 along side of it and just keep your diet and cardio on point and you are good to go

Agreed completely. For me Deca is always clean, but I structure my diet, AI dose, and control things to make sure bloat and water retention is never an issue. Deca is probably my favorite compound next to test

 

[DylanGemelli]

Agreed completely. For me Deca is always clean, but I structure my diet, AI dose, and control things to make sure bloat and water retention is never an issue. Deca is probably my favorite compound next to test

absolutely and we have discussed this many times... it has some of the highest misconceptions out there and i know we both had it as well thanks to everyone else being so full of shit all these years... however that could not have been more wrong...

 

[Carmel cowboy]

I love deca as well and interested in npp more to run a shorter cycle. I have read conflicting info about joint pain relief with npp. I know that it's still a nandrolone with a shorter ester but has anyone experienced joint pain relief with npp like deca? People take about the water rention from deca being the reason for joint relief but my last run I didn't get much water rentention at all which I think has more to do with diet then the actual compound or ester.

 

[sirjecht]

Thanks for the feedback, sounds like I have a good structure. Will be posting this again later down the line when I hit time to cycle to update my stats and just in case there are any new breakthroughs by then. I appreciate all the feedback.

 

[DylanGemelli]

I love deca as well and interested in npp more to run a shorter cycle. I have read conflicting info about joint pain relief with npp. I know that it's still a nandrolone with a shorter ester but has anyone experienced joint pain relief with npp like deca? People take about the water rention from deca being the reason for joint relief but my last run I didn't get much water rentention at all which I think has more to do with diet then the actual compound or ester.

clear broscience... it increases collagen synthesis... a therapeutic dose of deca is all that is needed for joint relief... there is no water retention whatsoever from it unless you let your estrogen get out of control when using test with it or your prolactin becomes a mess... thats so absurd for anyone to say and that has NOTHING to do with joint relief... also, npp IS deca, it just works much faster and most certainly has the same effect but clearly, if you run it less time, you will not have as much relief because when you discontinue use, it will not be healed as if you run a sarm like mk2866, which provides real healing

 

[Carmel cowboy]

clear broscience... it increases collagen synthesis... a therapeutic dose of deca is all that is needed for joint relief... there is no water retention whatsoever from it unless you let your estrogen get out of control when using test with it or your prolactin becomes a mess... thats so absurd for anyone to say and that has NOTHING to do with joint relief... also, npp IS deca, it just works much faster and most certainly has the same effect but clearly, if you run it less time, you will not have as much relief because when you discontinue use, it will not be healed as if you run a sarm like mk2866, which provides real healing

Makes complete sense! Thank you for the reply!

 

[DylanGemelli]

Makes complete sense! Thank you for the reply!

for sure bro, im happy to help!