drb_iac
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orals and injectables without test
It seems that we see these same questions over and over. Obviously these bros are not browsing this forum, and yet they all say they have been reading up. If you are indeed reading up, then read up here.Your answers are already here.I am going to take my time here and probably say the same shit I have been saying,plus maybe try to explain WHY oral only is not a good idea.
First and obvious-Any oral aas wil shut down your test. If you have noticed, no man ever gets trt by using orals only or even injectables without test...both orals and injectables other than test are never used alone. WHY? Because they shut test down but do not replace it. This means that any and all cycles need to have test involved. Test is what makes a man a man. If you are going to shut it down then replace it. The single best steroid there is would be test. So if you want to do dbol, winny, var etc;injectables like deca,eq,primo etc, then fine.Use the proper dose and use test along with them.
Secondly-If you swallow test E or cyp etc your stomach and your liver will break it down to nothing, and you will get nothing from it. SO..chemists at big pharm figured out how to make a molecule that is an imposter of test and they structure it so that every single time you swallow one of these there will be a big brawl with the liver. It is a street fight every time you swallow one...and in every single case the liver LOOSES the fight. Take a look at the spelling ..LIVEr. Not functioning liver and you are eithr dead or very miserable. So you are riskng liver damage because you are afraid of needles. Needles deliver the best there is ..orals are toxic. See note 1
You can get cirrhosis of the liver from orals. Folks think that only alcohol can do this but that is wrong.Tylenol can damage the liver,so carefull with that esp if you are also using orals.The worst part is that you have no idea what damage you have until you get a liver biopsy. If you are getting a biopsy then you are alreay sick.Getting bloodwork done does not reveal cirrhosis. Bloodwork can fool you because it comes out normal and doc says you are fine. The fact is that if you have a certain percentage of you liver functioning then you will have good enzymes. So my point is that orals could be hurting you and neither you nor doc know any better.
Next- I see a lot of athletes use winny only,var only becuase their reasoning is that they want the performance enhancing but do not want any size or appearance of looking bigger. Like Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire stuck into the face of America. Look at me ..I am getting older yet more muscular. So today they do not want to be bigger.
A major league baseball player just got thrown out of baseball for life. He failed the drug test 3 times, and had very long multiple suspensions. He is a reliever for the Mets named Jenrry Mejia.
He first got busted, and suspended for eq and winny. Then again for winny. Then again for eq and winny. No test..why ..because he does not want to get big.
So here is my advice. Never do anything without test...even deca or eq but especially orals. If you use orals watch the dose and duration. Please..never ask if you can do anything without also adding test.
If had my choice I would not touch orals at all, nevermind an oral only. It is just plain not smart
Note 1-This was brought to my attention to further help with the understanding of orals.
As I said before every time you swallow an oral there is a fight with the liver. Orals have to be taken every day and to get the most from them they need to be taken twice per day in divided doses. So how long are you willing to take something two times every day that you know could hurt you? Good question, but always keep in mind as with orals or any other med. Dose and duration. Think about these two words. So..what if you want to kickstart with dbol.Ok.. you have your test deca cycle set up, and you want do dbol. Start with a lower end dose..maybe 15-20mgs. You don't want to jump right in with 40mg. Big guys like arnold have been known to use 50mg and I have done so myself. BUT how long do I want to do this? A good starting point is 4 weeks. A street fight with your liver at 2x/day for a whole month should be ok right? I truely hope so. No need to push the limits on the dose and the duration. Always lean to the safest side. Again you wll need to read up and find out for yourself what fits you.
It seems that we see these same questions over and over. Obviously these bros are not browsing this forum, and yet they all say they have been reading up. If you are indeed reading up, then read up here.Your answers are already here.I am going to take my time here and probably say the same shit I have been saying,plus maybe try to explain WHY oral only is not a good idea.
First and obvious-Any oral aas wil shut down your test. If you have noticed, no man ever gets trt by using orals only or even injectables without test...both orals and injectables other than test are never used alone. WHY? Because they shut test down but do not replace it. This means that any and all cycles need to have test involved. Test is what makes a man a man. If you are going to shut it down then replace it. The single best steroid there is would be test. So if you want to do dbol, winny, var etc;injectables like deca,eq,primo etc, then fine.Use the proper dose and use test along with them.
Secondly-If you swallow test E or cyp etc your stomach and your liver will break it down to nothing, and you will get nothing from it. SO..chemists at big pharm figured out how to make a molecule that is an imposter of test and they structure it so that every single time you swallow one of these there will be a big brawl with the liver. It is a street fight every time you swallow one...and in every single case the liver LOOSES the fight. Take a look at the spelling ..LIVEr. Not functioning liver and you are eithr dead or very miserable. So you are riskng liver damage because you are afraid of needles. Needles deliver the best there is ..orals are toxic. See note 1
You can get cirrhosis of the liver from orals. Folks think that only alcohol can do this but that is wrong.Tylenol can damage the liver,so carefull with that esp if you are also using orals.The worst part is that you have no idea what damage you have until you get a liver biopsy. If you are getting a biopsy then you are alreay sick.Getting bloodwork done does not reveal cirrhosis. Bloodwork can fool you because it comes out normal and doc says you are fine. The fact is that if you have a certain percentage of you liver functioning then you will have good enzymes. So my point is that orals could be hurting you and neither you nor doc know any better.
Next- I see a lot of athletes use winny only,var only becuase their reasoning is that they want the performance enhancing but do not want any size or appearance of looking bigger. Like Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire stuck into the face of America. Look at me ..I am getting older yet more muscular. So today they do not want to be bigger.
A major league baseball player just got thrown out of baseball for life. He failed the drug test 3 times, and had very long multiple suspensions. He is a reliever for the Mets named Jenrry Mejia.
He first got busted, and suspended for eq and winny. Then again for winny. Then again for eq and winny. No test..why ..because he does not want to get big.
So here is my advice. Never do anything without test...even deca or eq but especially orals. If you use orals watch the dose and duration. Please..never ask if you can do anything without also adding test.
If had my choice I would not touch orals at all, nevermind an oral only. It is just plain not smart
Note 1-This was brought to my attention to further help with the understanding of orals.
As I said before every time you swallow an oral there is a fight with the liver. Orals have to be taken every day and to get the most from them they need to be taken twice per day in divided doses. So how long are you willing to take something two times every day that you know could hurt you? Good question, but always keep in mind as with orals or any other med. Dose and duration. Think about these two words. So..what if you want to kickstart with dbol.Ok.. you have your test deca cycle set up, and you want do dbol. Start with a lower end dose..maybe 15-20mgs. You don't want to jump right in with 40mg. Big guys like arnold have been known to use 50mg and I have done so myself. BUT how long do I want to do this? A good starting point is 4 weeks. A street fight with your liver at 2x/day for a whole month should be ok right? I truely hope so. No need to push the limits on the dose and the duration. Always lean to the safest side. Again you wll need to read up and find out for yourself what fits you.
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