Confused, need some input ASAP on Tren cycle.

[21infantry]

I always study and make a concrete plan before doing any cycle and thought that I had done my homework, I may have but now I have some doubts creeping into my mind. Basically I set up a very simple cycle for a first time Tren run.

12 Weeks 350mg Test Cyp
12 Weeks 200mg Tren E after a few weeks move to 250 and then 300 if all goes well

Now I keep on reading by many that swear that the culprit of Tren sides is actually not the Tren but Test that cant bind and is just floating around creating havoc. So many have suggested that you should run 150 to 200 mg of Test and Run 300 to 350 Tren for a side free explosive first go around with tren. Thoughts on this?

 

[EZ_E]

There's no such thing as "side free" with any cycle.....And there's no one answer fits all. Sometimes it takes a little trial & error to find what works for you. Sometimes it takes A LOT of trial & error.

Unless you're mentally 110% all in on tren, don't use it.

 

[drb_iac]

I always study and make a concrete plan before doing any cycle and thought that I had done my homework, I may have but now I have some doubts creeping into my mind. Basically I set up a very simple cycle for a first time Tren run.

12 Weeks 350mg Test Cyp
12 Weeks 200mg Tren E after a few weeks move to 250 and then 300 if all goes well

Now I keep on reading by many that swear that the culprit of Tren sides is actually not the Tren but Test that cant bind and is just floating around creating havoc. So many have suggested that you should run 150 to 200 mg of Test and Run 300 to 350 Tren for a side free explosive first go around with tren. Thoughts on this?

I have done tren many ways. Equal test, lower test and higher test. I don't have anything in my notes that says there is a huge difference, BUT I can say this. Anytime I did lower test I had better lipolysis. So being that tren is such a strong binder to the androgen receptors, I think it is better to let the tren do the work.As you know I am a big test fan with deca. However when it come to tren I think 200-350- test is best and 400 tren.
There are may different opinions here and this is mine. I have kept detailed notes on all 56 of my cycles.I made it a point to write something every day of every cycle. So this is not conjecture, but real time what worked best for me.
Either way don't overthink it. Maybe 12 weeks of cyp at 250-350 and tren at 200-400.So you are in the ballpark.Just adjust and keep your test a bit lower than your tren.

 

[21infantry]

Of course your going to have some sides but I'm talking about the non stop sweats and insomnia, I know a few guys who run Tren and they tell me its vastly exaggerated. But I'm about trying to do things the smart way, if you can lesson the effect by running a cycle a certain way I am all ears. But I am 110% all in on this, just want to run it the smart way.

 

[21infantry]

I have done tren many ways. Equal test, lower test and higher test. I don't have anything in my notes that says there is a huge difference, BUT I can say this. Anytime I did lower test I had better lipolysis. So being that tren is such a strong binder to the androgen receptors, I think it is better to let the tren do the work.As you know I am a big test fan with deca. However when it come to tren I think 200-350- test is best and 400 tren.
There are may different opinions here and this is mine. I have kept detailed notes on all 56 of my cycles.I made it a point to write something every day of every cycle. So this is not conjecture, but real time what worked best for me.
Either way don't overthink it. Maybe 12 weeks of cyp at 250-350 and tren at 200-400.So you are in the ballpark.Just adjust and keep your test a bit lower than your tren.

The Doc in the house, hope you would show up I am a Doc fan boy. Well anyways I'm going to adjust a little bit and go from there. It makes sense what people are saying about Tren just beating the hell out of the Test. Protecting that heart is very important so if its good for the lipids there is something to it. But many have echoed what you just said DRB

 

[drb_iac]

The Doc in the house, hope you would show up I am a Doc fan boy. Well anyways I'm going to adjust a little bit and go from there. It makes sense what people are saying about Tren just beating the hell out of the Test. Protecting that heart is very important so if its good for the lipids there is something to it. But many have echoed what you just said DRB

Well let me re think this for you since it is your first tren run and you are concerned about the sides. It is good that you are thinking that way.Nothing here is written in stone so I am just going to run it by you. If you use trenA and get sides that you don't like you can jump out of trenA easier than trenE. If you are in week 3 or more with trenE and you don't like the sides then they won't go away near as quickly as if you had used trenA. So lets go safe on trenA at 50mg M,W,F. The other good thing about using A as a first run is that you will quickly know if you like it or not.From there you can up ,lower or stop. So lets say you do your first week of 150mg tren, then jump it the next week to 200.You will then know again if you want to stay there,go back to 150,go up to 250 or stop. TrenA lets you decide week by week.
If this is how you want to do it then just go 200 test and 150 trenA, and then each week thereafter the choice is yours to adjust. It is kind of like a sports car that you can maneuver quickly,turn quickly,stop quickly or accelerate quickly. TrenE is a diesel engine..kind of a clunker,it keeps moving up faster and faster and has a great top speed to cruise on.
Years down the road most guys then switch to trenE because they know what mgs they like best, and then they put the good ol magic of long chains to work.
I hope I a not confusing you or messing your plans up, but as I thought about it I thought the best for you might be 150A with 200 cyp. You can always go up in dose.
You can always pm me ,and good luck.

 

[RickRock]

I always study and make a concrete plan before doing any cycle and thought that I had done my homework, I may have but now I have some doubts creeping into my mind. Basically I set up a very simple cycle for a first time Tren run.

12 Weeks 350mg Test Cyp
12 Weeks 200mg Tren E after a few weeks move to 250 and then 300 if all goes well

Now I keep on reading by many that swear that the culprit of Tren sides is actually not the Tren but Test that cant bind and is just floating around creating havoc. So many have suggested that you should run 150 to 200 mg of Test and Run 300 to 350 Tren for a side free explosive first go around with tren. Thoughts on this?

This is an extremely debatable topic, but I'll give my side of it. I have ran my test lower than Tren, test equal to Tren, and test higher than Tren and I can honestly say I will never run my test lower than Tren ever again. I had more side effects and my libido was not near as good as when I ran test at least equal to my test. I actually felt best and had the best results running my test higher than Tren. For example, my next run. I'm running 600 test and 400 Tren. Now, I will clarify that I'm much different than anyone else when it comes to test. My body loves it and I get no sides from it. I know I run it higher than most, but that is my experience.

With any nandrolone I will never run test lower than it. It will always be equal to or greater than my nandrolone dose.

For the estrogen sensitive people, it may be more the opposite, which is why you probably see a lot of people running their test lower than Tren and there's nothing wrong with that if it works for them. You just have to figure out what your body likes and go with it.

I your case, your original plan lines up perfectly with my recommendations, since your test is higher than Tren

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[PHURIOUS]

I think we all deal w tren differently. And only you will know whats best. But personally i do not subscribe to changes dosages if you wanna run test at 300 and tren at 200 or whatever then you should run it the whole way when u change dosages you will dirupt proper blood saturation and roller coaster urself and THATS when bad things happen


PHURIOUS

 

[21infantry]

I think we all deal w tren differently. And only you will know whats best. But personally i do not subscribe to changes dosages if you wanna run test at 300 and tren at 200 or whatever then you should run it the whole way when u change dosages you will dirupt proper blood saturation and roller coaster urself and THATS when bad things happen


PHURIOUS

I have only done two pins so far. So this is the time to make changes. I think I'm going to even them out 250/250 and let it ride. I like docs recommendation but I'm caged straped right now and have only E at the moment have plenty of auxiliaries on hand caber, aromasin, proviron and gw plus three bottles of cells assist and did three weeks of tudca before starting my blast and will do a solid month after. So far with the exception of EPI I get very little sides from AAS. I know that tren is a different animal so I'm taking this with a whole lot of caution.

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[PHURIOUS]

Yes thats fine just decide soon and stick to that. It will go better


PHURIOUS

 

[Testdude63]

Completely agree with Phurious on this one. Decide on a dose and stick with it.

I personally would have opted for Ace being it your first tren run, but since you have only E, I would go with 200 test/250 or 300 tren. Keep it just a bit higher since they fight for the same receptors. This way you'll be able to see how your body reacts to the compound.

Keep us posted!

 

[21infantry]

Thanks guys for all your input

 

[MarkD]

I started running my Test higher than my Tren and I found that it helped with side effects. That's just me though. I have always had some insomnia, night sweats as well as irritability and a drop in cardio. Then again I have friends who run it the same ways I do and have only some of the same sides. Listen to your body the best you can. Melatonin really helps me sleep, as well as an open window and fan pointed at me. The GW will drastically help your cardio, in fact I swear by it when I use Tren.

 

[RickRock]

I started running my Test higher than my Tren and I found that it helped with side effects. That's just me though. I have always had some insomnia, night sweats as well as irritability and a drop in cardio. Then again I have friends who run it the same ways I do and have only some of the same sides. Listen to your body the best you can. Melatonin really helps me sleep, as well as an open window and fan pointed at me. The GW will drastically help your cardio, in fact I swear by it when I use Tren.

I agree with you completely on the GW. It made a night and day difference when adding it in with Tren. I won't ever run Tren again without it. Just the cholesterol benefits alone make it worth it, not to mention the obvious enhancements to endurance, cardio, and fat loss.


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[Jake]

I always study and make a concrete plan before doing any cycle and thought that I had done my homework, I may have but now I have some doubts creeping into my mind. Basically I set up a very simple cycle for a first time Tren run.

12 Weeks 350mg Test Cyp
12 Weeks 200mg Tren E after a few weeks move to 250 and then 300 if all goes well

Now I keep on reading by many that swear that the culprit of Tren sides is actually not the Tren but Test that cant bind and is just floating around creating havoc. So many have suggested that you should run 150 to 200 mg of Test and Run 300 to 350 Tren for a side free explosive first go around with tren. Thoughts on this?

I look at test and tren the same way I look at test and deca. Test a bit higher or equal to the tren.That is my creed for any nandrolone. I ,like drb and rick have run the combo with test lower,equal and higher. I tend to like the test higher because it masks some of tren sides. Now drb will bear the sides because he knows he will get more vascular with higher tren, so there you go we all like something different. So since you only have the E then 200 is fine. Just hang there this cycle. You already know how much test you like, so if 350 is your dose then you have a perfect cycle.

 

[RickRock]

I look at test and tren the same way I look at test and deca. Test a bit higher or equal to the tren.That is my creed for any nandrolone. I ,like drb and rick have run the combo with test lower,equal and higher. I tend to like the test higher because it masks some of tren sides. Now drb will bear the sides because he knows he will get more vascular with higher tren, so there you go we all like something different. So since you only have the E then 200 is fine. Just hang there this cycle. You already know how much test you like, so if 350 is your dose then you have a perfect cycle.

Agree with you completely there, Jake! I treat any nandrolone the same when it comes to how I run my test. Always equal to or higher than the Deca or Tren


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[zeke]

Looks like I am the only one worked today. Jake and drb playing around on MY computer as usual! They even looked at weird porn.I told them I am showing it to their wives...lol.

Look bro I have never done more 200 trenE..ever! It goes good with 200 test too, or even 200test,200deca,200 tren. No need to go higher for a very long time. And look...to show you...drb hasn't touched tren in years and when he went back recently he went to 150mgs. It seems like the old vets go around in a complete circle.They start low then in their piss and vinegar years they are up on high doses then they get older and some sense and then go back to lower doses.

 

[DylanGemelli]

I think we all deal w tren differently. And only you will know whats best. But personally i do not subscribe to changes dosages if you wanna run test at 300 and tren at 200 or whatever then you should run it the whole way when u change dosages you will dirupt proper blood saturation and roller coaster urself and THATS when bad things happen


PHURIOUS

i agree with Phurious... we all respond a bit different... i was always adamant about running test lower but i have found for me personally that running them equal or tren a bit higher is whats best... your WAY too worried about certain tren sides though, i mean big time... if you were running a stupid ass dose of say 500-600, then yeah, you should have concerns of all the sides you listed FOR SURE, but not at 200-300... the whole point in running that dose is to avoid most of the sides you referenced... dont overthink because if you do, you'll end up causing damage... the question itself is good because there is a lot of thoughts on it but dont get too caught up in everything else and dont let everyone get you scared... your not a reckless type that doses too high, you will be just fine...

my recommendation... go with 250 test and 300-350 tren... definitely use GW alongside... you want to combat the cardio and cholesterol sides and this is a must for that... also you already know to run caber... other than that, you should be all good... aromasin obviously on cycle as well...

 

[MarkD]

I agree with you completely on the GW. It made a night and day difference when adding it in with Tren. I won't ever run Tren again without it. Just the cholesterol benefits alone make it worth it, not to mention the obvious enhancements to endurance, cardio, and fat loss.


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You were actually the one who put me on to the concept of a higher Test/lower Tren ratio. It has worked great for me, especially with the sleeplessness. It also makes me into a sexual tyrannosaurs. LOL.

 

[buen]

Look bro I have never done more 200 trenE..ever! It goes good with 200 test too, or even 200test,200deca,200 tren

Running 400mg nandrolone with 200mg test wasn't a problem for you?
Dylan and NYROBO both recently commented that they had a problem when the combined Tren and Deca
Just curious... I'm considering my next cycle something along the lines of test 250..tren200... Primo 800
Being an old fart... I always like to have a bit of deca included (for joint relief) but thought I might have to swap it out for low dose of EQ