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Well As I have filtered though conflicting comments of better products have longer lasting results and others say as lean gains are more sustainable I'm simply trying to illuminate fact from fiction while stumbling across true info from the bullshit. So your right I'am in control.

Perfect that's a viable answer I can learn from. I appreciate the direction of response, that makes it easy to see that it was a open ended question that didnt dictate enough facts to answer. Like I said I'm in the process of plowing though threads of info and as from the start of this thread...

Okay bro... Still trying to educate myself in this space as my fitness is evolving. So maybe my questions are substandard but I thought this forum is to aid in answering questions of curiosity. Thanks I will remember this is a tainted question from the more experienced.

Are the gains long lasting with the primo

Definitely want to persure the cleaner route through pins not oral and you nailed it want to stay lean.

Ive done 3 cycles always only test E. Looking to add something new that will help cut. Any recommendations? Not ready to try tren. I'm 35 years old, 5'9", 180lbs, about 10% body fat. Been working out for 10 plus years and have always used PCTs.