Low dose test e cycle ? ? ?

[Jmachd]

I'm continuing to research and plan before I begin my 1st cycle. Hopefully before March of 2016. So I've looked around at dosing test e, as I think I'd prefer my first cycle to be only a test base with an AI and pct. I've seen the general TRT is dosed around 200mg, surely that can't be enough for what I'm looking to accomplish. If I'm looking to make moderate to decent gains, as I'm looking to control my physique and roll into a maintenance once I get to where I want to be.

So after all my rambling, my question is, What is the lowest effective dose yall have seen of test e and someone make moderate to decent gains?

 

[Saiyan]

Each person is different. But I would suggest taking 300-400mg per week. And splitting it Monday and Thursday.12 weeks is a good start.
Why don't you give us some more stats. Age, height, weight, bf%, and lifting experience. And then we can help you set up a cycle completely.


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[TexasTrash]

I would say 200mg is not general TRT but on the higher end. Seems like a few forums would say that 500mg is the starting point for a 1st cycle but the general consensus here is that you should respond very well to less...........perhaps more like 350mg. I would support the lower amount as it will allow you to see how your body responds plus it give you the ability to bump it up next time. My apologies if you have already mentioned this in other posts, but what is your current ht/wt, BF, training experience, etc?

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Smart move going with Test only for your first run. What are your stats? How long have you been training?

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[TexasTrash]

Smart move going with Test only for your first run. What are your stats? How long have you been training?

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I agree Maxx. Seems like there have been a ton of "I want to do an oral only first cycle" posts. Admittedly, I was there at one point also but have since learned that is not very smart.

Good decision so far OP.

 

[RickRock]

There is no one size fits all answer to this, but generally for a first cycle on test, I don't see the need to go higher than 300-350mg per week. That is more than sufficient for a first cycle and you can grow like crazy on it with the right diet and training.

A missing piece here is your stats and experience, which tells us a little bit more about how to approach this for you

 

[Jmachd]

Sorry about not putting my current stats. 28 yr Male, been lifting for 3 years now. Started off at 148 lbs and up to 188 - 191 roughly 18% BF 2 months ago, I'm positive it's dropped I'm going to do my bmi again tonight. I'd love some help putting together my first cycle. I'm thinking 12 weeks test e, could use some experience in AI dosing as well as pct. I've read so much, but you can't learn experience and that's what I'm looking for.

 

[Saiyan]

18% is a little high. I would suggest you get to 15% minimum before stating a cycle. But that said and you have a few months to work.
1-12 test e 300-350 split weekly
You AI should be aromasin at 12.5mg every other day. That's just a good start and you may have to adjust.
Pct will consist of Clomid and nolva for 4 weeks.
I strongly suggest getting your AI and pct from Pure Essence Sarms. They have the highest quality and the prices are perfect.
I would also suggest stacking some sarms into this cycle. Gw501516 is great for endurance. Lgd will help you add some size. S4 will help keep you hard and vascular. If you are interested, it's no problem setting up a cycle with sarms. I'll work on writing one up for you in a few minutes unless these guys beat me to it lol.


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[Jake]

I'm continuing to research and plan before I begin my 1st cycle. Hopefully before March of 2016. So I've looked around at dosing test e, as I think I'd prefer my first cycle to be only a test base with an AI and pct. I've seen the general TRT is dosed around 200mg, surely that can't be enough for what I'm looking to accomplish. If I'm looking to make moderate to decent gains, as I'm looking to control my physique and roll into a maintenance once I get to where I want to be.

So after all my rambling, my question is, What is the lowest effective dose yall have seen of test e and someone make moderate to decent gains?

I see the confusion,so I wil try to explain. For a first time 200mg test is a great cycle. For us older guys who have done all kinds of different cycles then 200 is nothing. But I do have to say that 200 for trt is a little high. My very first cycle was 250 and I did it for 12 months and did well. If I were to do that now, I would get nothing. So this depends upon how old you are in combo with how many cycles you have done. By far the safest would be 200-250 test and this will give you a good reading about yourself...why...because this test will be the base of every other cycle you ever do. So forget about guys on trt..this does not apply to you. If you have been natty then 250max.

Also you should post aas questions the proper section..not general.It may get overlooked here.If you insist that you want more than this then go 200 test plus 150 deca. I still say you will really enjoy 250 test only.

 

[GTFORMULA]

350-500mg for a cycle is plenty. As far as aromasin goes I would say it depends on blood work but the general is 25mg a week. Im not a pct guy so I'll let others answer that.

 

[Jmachd]

Yeah I'm still learning the board bro. Kind of new to the whole online board thing, my apologies.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

You definitely want to drop your bf% before you begin. Below 15% is recommended. 200mg is a bit high for trt but I wouldn't even concern yourself with that. Being this is your first cycle, you could benefit great off of 200-250 mg a week. I would stick to one compound for your first cycle, long ester, cyp or ent. For AI, aromasin is perfect. 12.5mg eod is a great starting point. That dosing will be different for everybody but for a first cycle, low dose, it should be damn close. What's your height?

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[Jmachd]

5'8 I'll see if my wife will help me pull bmi tonight.

 

[RickRock]

Yeah I'm still learning the board bro. Kind of new to the whole online board thing, my apologies.

Moved this thread for you to the steroid section bro. No worries

 

[Jmachd]

Moved this thread for you to the steroid section bro. No worries

You the man, rick!

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[TexasTrash]

By the way, make sure you have all compounds on hand BEFORE starting. This includes the AI and PCT meds. You never know what will happen and you may have to do an "emergency" PCT or something.

 

[Jmachd]

By the way, make sure you have all compounds on hand BEFORE starting. This includes the AI and PCT meds. You never know what will happen and you may have to do an "emergency" PCT or something.

The brings up a good point TT, I was going to order well before and have everything R2G. what about shelf life for oils and orals. Can I stock up and save some for later in the year? What's the typical shelf life?

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[MaxxPursuit]

The brings up a good point TT, I was going to order well before and have everything R2G. what about shelf life for oils and orals. Can I stock up and save some for later in the year? What's the typical shelf life?

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Orals will stay good for a long time past expiration. I wouldn't even worry about those. Injectables, you want to keep them in a cool, dark place out of the light. If they're stored properly, most injectables have a 2/3 year expiration date but will stay good for years past that as well. It is definitely good advice to make sure you have everything you need before you start. Sounds like you're on a good path bud.

 

[Jmachd]

Good looking out Maxx, appreciate it!

 

[Jmachd]

What about hcg, would yall running 250 ui twice a week ? Or is this dose to low?